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The show today with Josh Snider is nothing short of incredible, and it seems unbelievable. But the more I think about it, it is believable. You be the judge. He has amassed quite a bit of details and evidence. For starters, the whole Falungong/Chinese dissident connection is surreal (https://chinarising.puntopress.com/2019/02/13/successfully-smearing-china-with-big-lie-propaganda-about-muslim-gulags-msm-digs-up-a-stale-psyops-organ-harvesting-china-rising-radio-sinoland-190213/)!

Julian Assange and WikiLeaks sure appear to be deep state. He was in the Arab World during the Arab Spring Revolutions and bragging about overthrowing governments. No difference in Gene Sharp and his Einstein Institute bragging about almost overthrowing the Chinese government in 1989 (https://chinarising.puntopress.com/2024/06/04/this-webpage-has-by-far-the-biggest-and-best-library-of-articles-videos-podcasts-and-images-about-1989s-tiananmen-square-protests-something-for-everyone-china-rising-radio-sinoland-continually/).

Assange’s capture is, in my opinion, because somebody in the deep state was pissed off by what he did. He revealed too much. The deep state is not monolithic and has many competing factions. I would say probably the US military for all of the information that was publicized about what happened in Iraq, and whomever patrons he had in the CIA and the rest of the deep state lost that battle. Once he was trapped in the Ecuadorian embassy, it became a standoff and for his patrons, he became expendable, which happens all the time in Deepstateland. Actors getting recruited, turned, betrayed and eliminated are part of the business. One day you are an agency hero and next you are a dead man.

In any case, this is an amazing interview, very thought provoking, and I congratulate Josh for connecting all these dots and putting the pieces to the puzzle together. No one can say for sure that what Josh has accumulated is bulletproof true. But I would say in a court of law, the preponderance of evidence would indict WikiLeaks and Julian Assange for perpetrating Western color revolutions.

Thank you and enjoy a great show. Jeff

Transcript

Jeff: Good afternoon everybody. This is Jeff J. Brown China Rising Radio Sinoland Seek Truth From Facts Foundation, the China Writers Group, and I can even throw in the Bioweapon Truth Commission. And I am going to the south of the equator to Argentina and I have got Josh Snider on the show today. How are you doing, Josh?

Josh: I’m doing good. How are you doing?

Jeff: I’m really happy to have you on the show. It’s taken us a while, basically because of me for dropping the ball but I’m really glad to get you on the show. Josh is an American. He is living in Argentina and he reached out to me on WhatsApp and told me that he had done his research. He had been doing research of various kinds and came up with some interesting discoveries about Wikileaks and its origins and inspirations, and I was intrigued enough that I wanted to hear about it. And he’s got a couple of videos, and I’ll leave the links for people to look at the videos, but take it away, Josh. Looking forward to what you have to say.

Josh: Okay. Yeah, sort of on the Wikileaks, right?

Jeff: Yeah.

Josh: Okay. So to give sort of a brief overview of what Wikileaks is or what I found is: Wikileaks is essentially a tool of the US government to help them carry out regime change or help them destabilize Global South Governments. And so that’s essentially what they were born to do and what they did. There are obviously cases, well-known cases where they put out leaks on the US government itself but that was sort of a limited hangout in 2010.

Jeff: Please tell people what a limited hangout is, because I actually had to look it up when I did the book review of Robert F. Kennedy Jr’s book his Wuhan book about the coronavirus. Tell us what a limited hangout is. A lot of people don’t know.

Josh: Oh, sure. Yeah, I had to look it up at 1.2. Somewhere where you hang out and you’re like really interested in what the politics this organization is putting out and publishing and everything like that, the information you’re getting from them to hang out there, but it’s not actually giving you the full truth. It’s kind of giving you a little bit of truth and then steering you in the direction that they want to steer you like I would say sort of like Alex Jones was that in terms of showing us a lot of truth about 9/11 and conspiracies, but steered people to the right economically. So he also might be a limited hangout.

Jeff: So what happened in 2010 is a limited hangout.

Josh: Oh, so they came out with various projects of leaks like the Iraq War Logs. And I think they’re called the Afghanistan Logs. And essentially what they were doing was leaking on war crimes, torture, and civilian deaths by the US military in these places and this is kind of what got Wikileaks famous. But you’ll notice that with the Iraq War Logs, for example, they never really put out leaks on the real reasons why government officials actually started the Iraq war in the first place like it could be geopolitical reasons, it could be oil.

But obviously, there are probably conversations and documents out there that within the Pentagon and within the CIA would show us that, but Wikileaks would never actually leak that kind of thing. And if they do, later on, they never promote it and what they promote are their leaks. Yeah, war crimes within these wars. So it’s sort of like saying the unjust war itself is not a crime like it’s okay that we went in because of terrorism or whatever.

But we just need to tweak the system a little and clean it up so that we don’t have these civilian deaths and war crimes within this unjust invasion of a country. But with those leaks on Iraq and Afghanistan and on the Pentagon and stuff, even though it didn’t cause any detriment to the West and the US imperialist program around the world what it did is it lent Wikileaks credibility saying, see, we’re not just attacking Global South countries we’re also attacking the US government and the Western governments.

So once they had that credibility, the first thing they did right after that in 2011 was Cable Gate. And Cable Gate enabled them to cause the entire Arab Spring. And so they were able to take out four leaders in the Arab world, and they started the process of the Syrian Civil War. And after that, when they couldn’t take out Assad, then in 2012, they put out the Syria Files which sort of made the Syrian government look bad and different things.

Jeff: Do you think that those Syrian Files discredit Assad and the Syrian government? Do you think they’re actually true or are they fake news?

Josh: Oh they could be true. I didn’t look too much into what’s in them. I looked at the summary of what they are.

Jeff: Okay, all right.

Josh: One thing they did aside from trying to sort of embarrass Assad and I guess the Assad regime, we could say, or the Assad government and his ministers and everything was also to embarrass Western Corporations who were still doing business with Syria or even like Gulf state or other Western affiliated Middle Eastern governments who are still doing business with Syria, because at that time, in 2012, they wanted to put strict sanctions on Assad. So that was one of their stated goals in Syria Files.

Jeff: And wasn’t Julian Assange supposedly? Was he involved in Wikileaks or he was asking people to send information to Wikileaks or is that his own website that he has?

Josh: Oh, Assange is, yeah, the head and founder of Wikileaks.

Jeff: Okay, all right.

Josh: Oh, yeah. Yeah. You mean because you kind of saw that he got freed recently.

Jeff: But I mean, so do you think he’s CIA?

Josh: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely. So Wikileaks is Assange. And later on, once they sort of put on a public face and did this sort of like a big shift in there in how they present themselves to the public before they were like, kind of not out in front of cameras. And with the Iraq War Logs, that’s when Julian Assange came out to the public, started doing interviews, and that’s when they started adding some other team members and stuff that were actual people. But before that, we only have evidence of one guy aside from Assange in the beginning, one real person who was involved in the day-to-day operations of Wikileaks. So it’s basically Assange as Wikileaks.

Jeff: Well, then why did they persecute him for 12 years and lock him up in the Ecuador embassy? And then he was in prison at HMP in England for four years. Why all that then? I don’t get it.

Josh: Oh, okay. Essentially, from my point of view, it’s just theater. Again, it lends him, like, credibility as a genuine grassroots hacker leaker guy who is not affiliated at all with the government. And so, I mean, from my point of view this all took place in London, which is sort of it started this whole Western empire that we live in right now. And it’s sort of the sister country to the US of this Western empire. And right now London would be hesitant to send Assange to the US. I’m skeptical about that. That doesn’t make sense to me.

Jeff: You’re skeptical that England would not send Assange or that they pretended not to send him. I don’t understand.

Josh: So for a while, once they got him out of the embassy, he was in this prison.

Jeff: Ecuador Embassy.

Josh: Yeah, he was in there for a while and then they got him out eventually. And then they were in this prison in London.

Jeff: Yeah, I think it’s called HMP.

Josh: Yeah. And they were saying there was this big battle between the English courts, between the US government and Assange’s lawyers, whether England would extradite Assange to the US. And that just didn’t seem plausible to me. I mean, we’re talking about aside from New York, the banking center of the world, and the mother of the whole empire that they couldn’t get a judge on the bench just fix it and extradite him to the US. That doesn’t seem plausible to me. So that’s just a point of view.

Jeff: I wonder because I’m sure, he was in solitary confinement in HM prison. And I just wonder if maybe he got into this and then it just got out of control and ended up lasting a lot longer and it kind of went south on him. I don’t know. What do you think?

Josh: Yeah, things are plausible. I personally don’t think that. But what I’m aiming more to do with this is make people skeptical of what the storyline that Assange has sort of led us to believe. So essentially, as long as we’re skeptical about Wikileaks and the fact that this no-name guy just kind of got all over the front pages of mainstream media in the US and all over the world should make us skeptical, to begin with. And so, yeah, just sort of showing reasons to be skeptical. Before Wikileaks, he was arrested in Australia.

And so this is another reason for the skepticism of Assange. And it kind of goes to what you’re saying that he may have been under threat. He was arrested in Australia for hacking the US military. This was when he was 20 years old, and he hacked into various US military installations. And this was during the first Iraq War. He also claims that he hacked into Milnet, which was the internet for the entire US military. And he says he had control over that for two years. Whether he did or not, I’m not sure.

But he didn’t have to do any sort of deal with the US government. During the trial, he just pled guilty. And then the judge just said, he was young, he was 21 and caught 25 when convicted. Just let him off. Maybe there was a little community service, but just let them completely off the hook after hacking into the US military’s entire internet system. So, yeah, this is a reason to be skeptical. And we can compare that to another guide on anonymous hacking.

Jeff: Yeah, yeah, yeah, anonymous.

Josh: So I came across a case of one of their lead hackers named Sabu who was also in his 20s when he had hacked into a corporation that he didn’t realize was affiliated with the FBI. And so the FBI found him right away once he did that, arrested him and he only had two options spend 25 years in prison or become an informant for the FBI against Anonymous. And so he became an informant. And so this, to me, is like the real way that if you’re a hacker that gets caught like that and they have you over the barrel.

I don’t know if that’s the expression. If they have you over a barrel, then they’re going to use you, for their purposes. And, obviously, if Assange had gotten caught, as he did for hacking into the US military and he was already over 18, then the US military and their prosecutors would have probably wanted to use him in some way or other. So he may have been under threat or had made this backroom deal with them since he was 25 years old.

Jeff: Okay, all right. Also, within the CIA, it’s not monolithic. There are different factions and there are different groups, and there may have been a group that he worked with that wanted to cooperate with him but then the other group didn’t like him and got him arrested. And because obviously the phony stories about consensual sex and not wearing a prophylactic and with the Swedish lady and all that. I mean, it was obviously just completely bogus as an excuse to jail him. So it could be that he thought he was working with the right people at the CIA and another group more powerful decided otherwise. What do you think?

Josh: Yeah, I think all those options are on the table. I think anytime we’re talking about someone like, we could take, for instance, Bernie Sanders, who talked a lot about what he wanted to do and then just laid down flat for Hillary Clinton and did whatever the D’s wanted him to do over and over. And it’s hard to know if they’re just part of the team from when they were a young person, sort of inducted in somehow when they were of a young age, or if they’re under some type of threat or any of the complicated options that you just sort of laid out on the table.

Jeff: Well, look at Jeremy Corbyn the labor leader in the UK was just completely destroyed because they claimed he was anti-Semitic just to get rid of him because he was really liberal. He was like a socialist. And Bernie Sanders is also considering himself to be a democratic socialist. And they’re sure that the City of London and Wall Street and NATO are not going to let people like Jeremy Corbyn and Bernie Sanders get anywhere near positions of real power. So they were both taken out and as you said, I have a really good expression. I have what’s called the Imperial Toolbox and if I get my alphabet right from A-to-Z assassinations, blackmail, bribery, extortion, fake news, and false flags.

And that’s what they do to control people, control politicians, control organizations, etc. They don’t hesitate. So I remember Julian Assange. He was like inviting people to send stuff to Wikileaks. Do you think that Wikileaks was also set up so that the CIA would get information that they otherwise might not be able to get? Because people were sending it to Wikileaks, thinking that it was not the CIA and that it was above board and then the CIA was getting valuable information. Do you think that’s also a possibility?

Josh: Yeah, I think that’s a possibility. I hadn’t thought about that too much before, but yeah, that seems like a possibility. And then they can just sort of nab whoever is trying to rat on them. Or get a hold of the information that they might not have had before. And, they set up this Dropbox System. Initially, it was supposed to be an actual wiki which means end user editability like Wikipedia was maybe in the beginning. And then they just quickly before they even started operating switched to this drop box system.

And they say that the cyber security of their drop box is like really stealth. And no one could find out who was dropping the information in. So if the CIA were to get information that they wouldn’t otherwise get, they wouldn’t, according to Wikileaks, know who uploaded it into their Dropbox. But apparently, the guy who set up the cybersecurity for this Dropbox system likes to stay anonymous. So we have no idea who he is. So just kind of another reason to be skeptical about them.

Jeff: And so what are some of the other famous Wikileaks? I actually have used Wikileaks for China. Yeah, there were some cables from the US embassy going back to Washington that showed that they knew that Tiananmen Square was not a massacre that it was relatively peaceful and that it was basically an inside job by the Western embassies.

So those cables showed that there were no massacres, there were no shootings, there was none of that. And then the other one was is there was Wikileaks about Xinjiang, the Muslim province in Northwestern China. And the leaks were saying there’s no organ harvesting, there’s no persecution, there’s none of that. We know it’s not true, but we need to keep the pressure on China to persecute him. So I actually have used Wikileaks.

Josh: There’s definitely legit information on there. I mean, I would say most of it’s legitimate. But what I started to do is look at what they themselves through their Twitter account and social media promote and don’t promote. So, for instance through a FOIA request through a reporter from Wired magazine. That’s how these Hillary emails came about. I don’t know if you remember the Hillary emails.

Jeff: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Josh: 16. And but later on, we saw through that huge chunk of 30,000 emails that they did, in fact, kind of know, Hillary and I think it was Sidney Blumenthal, one of her advisers that everything that that their invasion of Libya wasn’t quite legit, that there weren’t these large groups of rebels that could take out Gadhafi on their own which is a little support and different emails between them during Libya. But Wikileaks never promoted that. That was just sort of in the huge group of 30,000 emails, and they probably didn’t promote the Tiananmen Square stuff you’re talking about either which is probably within their archive somewhere. Because they actually started out as Chinese dissidents according to themselves, back in 2006-2007.

Jeff: Who are the Chinese dissidents?

Josh: Wikileaks.

Jeff: Oh. Wikileaks. Oh, they said in 2006 that they were Chinese dissidents.

Josh: Exactly. Yeah, yeah. Here, let me can I share my screen.

Jeff: Yeah, sure. Please.

Josh: See here.

Jeff: I’ve never done this.

Josh: And let’s see. This is the Wikileaks Initial Advisory Board.

Jeff: Yeah.

Josh: So you’ll see here’s Julian Assange. Is it big enough?

Jeff: Oh, yeah, yeah, sure. Well, I can see it. And I’m not close to my screen so it should be okay.

Josh: Okay, great. So this is Wang Zen.

Jeff: Oh, yeah, yeah, lady. Yeah, okay.

Josh: He was like the leader of Tiananmen.

Jeff: Yeah, yeah. One of the big ones.

Josh: Yeah. And then you see Tibetan exile.

Jeff: Human rights activists.

Josh: Wearing, Yokai, also known as Chinese Democracy Party. And they were calling them these are just the advisory board. They’re not the staff. And in defense of, like, Wang Dan and Chao Xiang, like when they were approached by, I think, Mother Jones magazine in about 2009 about being on the advisory board. They said they didn’t really know why they were on it. This is going to become important. So there are only three guys that actually responded and said, yeah, I’m on the advisory board. It was Phillip Adams, C.J. Hinke, and Ben Lowry, and those were all white western guys.

And then we’ll get into a little bit with that. But if we go over here, I hope this is not it. No, this is another one. So this is the Sydney Morning Herald from 2007. Because Wikileaks sort of announced themselves and got together in the very end, November 2006. And so you can find a handful of articles from different newspapers about Wikileaks at that time. And so it says, yeah, Chinese cyber-dissidents launched Wikileaks, a site for whistleblowers. And so this is according to them that they’re Chinese dissidents.

Jeff: That’s incredible. I had no idea. Do they actually name who these dissidents are or are they unknown?

Josh: They’re unknown. I found this through this handful of articles. Actually, I even have one here that Wikileaks archived on its website. Also from 2007. But this is from the Federal Times. And so we see here the spokeswoman for Wikileaks at that time, Hannah de Jong. So I found two people like that who did interviews with newspapers in 2007 who were Wikileaks staff members aside from Assange. And they both had Asian-sounding names, Hanna de Jong and James Chen.

But the thing is, they say in all of these articles that the interviews were done through email. So I could just make an email

Ha*********@gm***.com











and say I’m Hannah de Jong instead of Josh Snider. So my point is, like these two staff members are not actually identifiable. But, yeah, she was the spokeswoman. She was saying in this article that they were just going to put out software for leaking for the public to use, like actual wiki-type software.

A wiki means it’s a whole group effort and the end user can edit the product. And so that’s what she was saying at that point. You can see here we are seeking funding from groups like the Soros Foundation Open Society. And so that’s the only foundation she listed where they’re seeking funding. So they were obviously that was the main source.

Jeff: Well, wherever George Soros goes, there’s going to be he is one of the world’s biggest saboteurs. De Jong could also be like Dutch or could be Dutch. I don’t know if there’s ever been a picture of her, but that’s really interesting. And Russian and Tibetan expatriates. Well, where does? I never knew Wikileaks was supposedly started by Chinese dissidents. Well, where did Julian Assange come into the picture?

Jeff: From the very start.

Josh: Oh, from the very start.

Josh: It’s like Wikileaks was Assange’s creation even when he was just a blogger like sort of a hacker blogger. He was sort of writing down his thoughts in the year preceding founding Wikileaks. And well, I think it was like even traveling around Asia at the time. And so this was sort of like a process. He was talking about wanting to make this sort of thing, and he had talked about it with other hacker guys online and stuff. So the very beginning. Yeah.

Jeff: That is really, really interesting. And founded by a group of technologists and Chinese dissidents.

Josh: Yeah. So that’s what they were claiming right from the start. They did an about-face in 2010, and all of a sudden, weren’t Chinese dissidents. And I can show you something humorous from the South China morning post. Did you see this in the video?

Jeff: No.

Josh: But in 2010.

Jeff: Their own Wikileaks.

Josh: Oh, yeah. Yeah, exactly.

Jeff: Actually, I actually have a subscription to South China Morning Post, so I’ll send you the whole article because it looks like you can’t get to it because you’re not a paid subscriber.

Josh: I did read it but like an archive site.

Jeff: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Chinese dissidents. I’ll look it up and send it to you.

Josh: Yeah. So these Chinese, this guy who called himself Deep Throat. So this was in 2010, after October, after Wikileaks had already blown up on front pages everywhere. So these guys, these hackers who were also we didn’t know who they actually were, but they were online and they were seeking help from Wikileaks and wanted to start their own Wikileaks, sort of to expose the Chinese government. But it’s almost like they forgot that they founded Wikileaks.

Jeff: Well, what happened in 2010 that caused Wikileaks? Was that the Iraq files with the film footage of the helicopter killing the Bloomberg reporters?

Josh: Yes.

Jeff: Okay. So that happened in 2010, then Syria trying to take out, well, not only Syria but Tunisia and Libya. Well, they bombed Libya into oblivion and assassinated him.

Josh: Can I backtrack a moment?

Jeff: Sure.

Josh: Okay.

Jeff: I’ll find that and send it to you after the show. I’ve got the date 22nd October 2010, and I’ll send you a PDF of it.

Josh: Okay, cool.

Jeff: Oh, that’s funny. Did the Chinese dissidents ever get their own Wikileaks up and running, or was it?

Josh: No, they said they contacted Wikileaks through the three emails, the three contact emails that were available on Wikileaks.org.

Jeff: Yeah.

Josh: But no, it was returned to sender, which means that Wikileaks didn’t even have a way of being in contact at that time.

Jeff: Okay. All right.

Josh: But yeah. So yeah, I wanted to show you also from the beginning. Let’s see where it is. This is their original Frequently Asked Questions page. Yeah, back in 2007. I’m sorry. There’s just so much information here. It’s hard to keep track of, but this was one of their original statements on Wikileaks.org. Again, this is a Sydney Morning Herald reporting this in their original About page.

Jeff: Our primary interests are oppressive regimes in Asia, the former Soviet bloc, sub-Saharan Africa, and the Middle East. Okay. So obviously the main target was to go after America’s enemies or the Western Empire’s enemies.

Josh: Yes. So they started it from the very beginning, they say, Wikileaks is an international collaboration of various backgrounds some Chinese. They mentioned Chinese and Chinese dissidents everywhere and the Chinese government in their original documents and interviews. So this was actually an interview with Assange here. The Chinese were not people living in China, but expats.

So yeah, if we go back to the FAQ page because this kind of illustrates also as well as that quote we just looked at why is an open government so important? And what they essentially are saying here is as an example about malaria. And they’re essentially saying that Africa is malaria-ridden because of corruption. Great Britain and North America are not malaria-ridden because they have less corruption. And so, I mean, we can actually read it out if you want, but I don’t want to.

Jeff: I just saw this recently. Where did I see that? I think it was maybe on Twitter or something and maybe Africa, one of the African Twitter sites. But they said that they use that same ridiculous analogy to blame malaria on corrupt governments. That’s just unbelievable.

Josh: I mean, this looks like something they got off of some other site and they liked it. So yeah, it might be being passed around in those circles.

Jeff: The difference is good governance. Oh my god.

Josh: So this is exactly as if like Great Britain and the US have nothing to do with Africa’s plight in general.

Jeff: Not to mention their corruption.

Josh: Exactly.

Jeff: If you’re ten times more corrupt than Africa, that’s for sure. I mean, it’s the worst in the world is in the West. Oh, that’s really interesting. Good government can find out and deploy the answer for global warming new technology. Oh my God. This is like something that Bill Gates wrote.

Josh: Yeah. Well, Assange and his wife too, who came later, whose actual real name is Sarah. It’s not Stella. It’s a little weird. They’re from sort of the Human Rights Watch, USAID. I don’t know some of the other names of these big names, big-money West human rights organizations. That’s sort of their crowd.

Jeff: Oh, yeah. And I saw this put another way, unresponsive or corrupt government through malaria alone will bring about the deaths of about seven jumbo jets full of children in the next 24 hours. That’s a children’s 9/11 every day. I just saw this. I mean, just this week and I thought it was disgusting.

Josh: Yes, exactly.

Jeff: And now is this still on Wikileaks or is this their very first one that you got off of?

Josh: You won’t see it like if you click any of these links on their site, but you can use their search engine and search for it. It’s archived on their website.

Jeff: All right.

Josh: Or sometimes you actually have to use Google, maybe you search for these quotes and then you’ll find it on their website.

Jeff: Okay. Yeah. Open government is strongly correlated to quality of life. Unbelievable.

Josh: Yeah, but if people want to see that, I mean, I can send the links to you and whatever if you want to.

Jeff: Yeah. Please send the links and I’ll add them to the interview page.

Josh: Yeah, yeah. And so what I found this takes a little bit of connecting the dots. So there’s something called the Global Online Freedom Act from 2006. And so I’ve kind of determined that Wikileaks came out of that. And this was a bill in Congress to basically try to deter US businesses from cooperating with what they say are restrictive.

Jeff: Undesirable anti-Western imperialist.

Josh: Well, yeah, in reality time. I’m trying to sort of quote it from them a little bit and keep the free flow of information going in those countries. And so, yeah, Global Online Freedom Act. So this gave birth to an organization called the Global Internet Freedom Consortium and also GIF before that is global information freedom.

But specifically in 2006, this GIF consortium was founded in February 2006. And so they tell you that right here on their governmental support page. And later in 2010, you can find articles saying that the US government gave the gift consortium $1.5 million. And the Chinese government responded, saying that the Global Online Freedom Act is specifically to try to destabilize China. So they publicly responded.

Jeff: That’s really interesting. Unbelievable. This is in 2006, 2007.

Josh: Yeah, yeah. And specifically 2006. And that’ll make a little bit of a difference. So yeah, you can see right here Voice of America, Radio Free Asia, CNN.

Jeff: The first two are pure CIA. I mean, those are CIA organs and Google is the CIA. And I don’t think CNN doesn’t fall too far from the tree either. So, the consortium partners are truly field-tested. They have had unprecedented success in creating anti-censorship technologies that can penetrate China’s Great Firewall.

Josh: Yeah, the Great Firewall.

Jeff: And they have also been able to react quickly to attacks from state censors. Oh my god.

Josh: And they specifically talk about the Great Firewall of China, Iran, and Burma at this point. I’m surprised they still left this site up.

Jeff: And I’m sure George Soros and all the other USAID Ned, I’m sure over the years which are all CIA compatriots are probably involved in this, too. So it’s just unbelievable. I can’t prove it, but what you’re showing me is just incredibly right down the alley of the CIA. It’s unbelievable.

Josh: Oh, totally. Yeah, yeah. And so we see here that there is Falun Gong. He says most of the volunteers.

Jeff: Oh my God, Falun Gong. Oh my God from China.

Josh: And many were also in 1989. So that’s who they are.

Jeff: Oh my God. This is unbelievable. You’ve done some terrific research, Josh. I’m really impressed.

Josh: Thanks. What kept me at it was I thought that when I sort of showed this to a pro-China, anti-imperialist camp of people, people are interested in that stuff, that it would just go viral. So I thought I would actually get a bunch of subscribers and stuff. And I was really disappointed to see people like so narrowly pro-Assange without wanting to consider it, at least so far. But I did a bunch of research on it anyway. And not you, obviously, you’re pro-China and you’re totally open to this, but I knew you were really open-minded person. And so let’s see, we have the GIF consortium.

Jeff: Go a little bit further down we see from Falun and Tiananmen. And then what is this about the CCP GIF has been conducting an in-depth analysis of the workings of the Communist, the Chinese Communist Party, and the needs of internet users in China. This is really bizarre.

Josh: Yeah, it’s essentially a bunch of software that they created that kind of act like VPNs. So people in China can get beyond the firewall, which, I mean, they’re kind of actually.

Jeff: For any Chinese, if they want a VPN, they can get one there. They’re all over. There were VPNs all in China in 2007. Maybe not back then but the fact of the matter is, is that 99% of the people don’t want a VPN and don’t care. They trust their media. They trust their government. They trust their leaders.

They have something like 80% of even international surveys like Pew Trust and Gallup have done numerous, have done numerous polls where they trust in government, the satisfaction of their government, the direction that their country is going towards, their trust in their media and China is just 70, 80, 85, 90%, and all of the Western countries are 30, 35, 40%. So the Chinese do not more about what’s going on in the world accurately than the Western Westerners do, that’s for sure.

Josh: Exactly. I mean, yeah, a lot of it is just about stability and economics and economic growth and opportunities for people to have decent standards of living. And people don’t always like to admit it, but that’s what they’ll actually vote on if their standard of living goes way down. And they like to give a lot of lip service to freedom of speech, which is important to a certain point but a lot of most people vote on economics and stability. So to show the connection between the gift consortium and Wikileaks and Assange, we want to go to actually, let’s go back to this advisory board here. Okay. So we got to understand who CJ Hinke is specifically.

Jeff: I’ve heard his name. But that’s all I know.

Josh: Oh, okay. So like I said most of these other guys said they didn’t know why they were on this advisory board. This guy Phillip Adams did say he was on the advisory board when Mother Jones did this article in the journal and has reached out to all of these people. But he said he got sick right around the founding time of Wikileaks and so had nothing to do. He knew nothing about their day-to-day operations, so he was sort of out.

Ben Laurie is an internet security expert, so he helped out to set up the cybersecurity for the site. But he said Wikileaks is really mysterious. He’s never had anything to do with their day-to-day operations. They just sort of put him on the advisory board and he’s had some contact with Assange, but he doesn’t really know anything about any of the leaks or anything like that. So this guy is sort of out. So the only guy on this advisory board and remember, the staff members were just email addresses.

So all we have from 2007 as real identifiable people that are part of Wikileaks are Assange and C.J. Hinke. And C.J. Hinke, when he was interviewed by Mother Jones, said he’s totally involved with all the day-to-day operations of Wikileaks. So essentially, he was Assange’s right-hand man at this time, at the beginning. Now he is let’s see if this is the About page. So he started this Fact of freedom against censorship in Thailand. You lived in Thailand, right?

Jeff: Yeah, for a year. But unfortunately, Covid changed all that. But yeah, we did try to retire there.

Josh: Okay. And have you ever heard of Fact?

Jeff: No, no the West has its long swords, its long knives out for Thailand so they’re trying every which way to subvert it. So go ahead.

Josh: Sure, sure. Yeah. So right on the Fact page when in the support section, the first thing that he mentions and he’s just a one-man operation really is the GIF consortium. So he said freedom against censorship. Thailand is a member organization in GIL-C and GIFC Global Internet Freedom Consortium.

Then he lists other organizations he’s affiliated with, but obviously, right at the top, he’s showing us that this is the primary group he’s affiliated with is that group, Falun Gong, a US government-supported, funded group. And so that’s the link right there. And so knowing that he’s the only identifiable real person involved in Wikileaks besides Assange back at the founding. That’s why that’s important to know.

Jeff: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Josh: So here November 16th, 2006, this talks about the founding of Fact, his organization, and Wikileaks was also founded and announced in November 2006. So if we look at the timeline, these guys here were founded in February 2006 through the Online Freedom Act.

Jeff: Yeah.

Josh: They got their funding from the US government. And then just, I don’t know, six months later or so, both Wikileaks and Fact were founded in the same month and in the same year. And here this is a blog post that this guy C.J. Hinke wrote in 2019 supporting Assange being released from prison, I think, or from the embassy. Here he tells us that Fact provided the very first leaked documents to the new Wikileaks platform back in 2006. Thailand’s military coups and internet block lists were leaked to fact by government officials.

So he’s just saying like some contact in the Thai government leaked documents to this white American expat who just started up his own website, WordPress website. And then he gave that to Assange as the first leak. Even though he’s involved with this group. So we see that these guys are like two peas in a pod, essentially, and that this guy is C.J. Hinke. And here’s his photo right here. Oh, wait, you can’t see my full screen, right?

Jeff: No, I don’t, I guess. No, but don’t worry about it.

Josh: So that’s sort of the link and that’s what makes me think that Wikileaks came out of this Online Freedom Act. Just to give you kind of a background.

Jeff: Really interesting and all the Chinese connections. That is just bizarre. Falun Gong.

Josh: Yeah, yeah.

Jeff: That’s really out there. Well, Josh, what do you say? I mean, obviously, if you point this out to people, they probably go absolutely ballistic about Julian Assange and claim that you’re the devil incarnate. How do you deal with that?

Josh: Yeah, I’m not really sure yet. I mean, they do have that, like, everything that he’s put out has been legit and hasn’t been fraudulent documents. And so they sort of have that fact and that kind of makes them believe that he’s a legitimate actor. But I can point out these things to them. It takes a little bit of time to point it out, but yeah, I can kind of point to this, the malaria post, I can point to their primary interests or the global South written on their original page and that they were Chinese dissidents and then all of a sudden they weren’t Chinese dissidents. After the Iraq War Logs, anyone associated with Wikileaks, whether they’re consultants or staff who are all from Britain, Iceland, the US, white Westerners, not even Chinese or Asian names. So I can point to that stuff in that.

Jeff: The people get mad at you? I mean, have people screamed and yelled at you for suggesting that Julian Assange is CIA?

Josh: Online like, I sort of just test-ran it on maybe like only two Reddit subs that are left-leaning, more pro-China, anti-imperialist, and our Sino which is a Reddit sub and pro-CCP. I didn’t really get too much pushback there, but I didn’t get that many sort of likes or upvotes either, maybe just 20, which is very little. But another group I posted and I got a lot of pushbacks. Yeah, a lot of pushback.

Jeff: Because you’re really I mean, especially since you just got released and he’s like a global hero and I don’t know what happened, but apparently, of course, I did hear I actually when he was in Ecuador in the embassy in Ecuador, I was actually reading articles that that he left the embassy under disguise. Now, I don’t know if that’s true or not. But he’s obviously suffered a lot even if he was eating filet mignon every day for the last since 2000. When did he go to the Ecuadorian embassy? I can’t remember the year.

Josh: Oh well, I know he was there during the elections, like in 2016. Okay. So it had to be somewhere between, like, 2013 and 2016.

Jeff: So almost like ten years, he was imprisoned. So, it’s really if what you’re saying is true, then what this suggests is, is that he had people backing him in the CIA and those people could not follow through on their continued protection. And other people had different ideas about trying to go after him. And it could be the US military or NATO because the films about the Iraq War, etc. were damn names and gave the US military a black eye, etc.

But assuming that he is not compromised, he would still have to at least know that Wikileaks is just like Google, just like Yahoo, just like the regular Wikileaks, just like every other informational platform out there is compromised by CIA, MI6, etc. But I did not know that about him being arrested at age 21 and being let off so easily for hacking the US military. That’s really interesting.

Josh: Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I think that should give us pause and give us reasons to not trust everything that he’s telling us.

Jeff: Well, he’ll get a big book deal and they’ll do a movie. Well, actually, already has been a movie. There was actually a popular movie. I mean, like a Hollywood movie about him.

Josh: From what I read about it and included the hacking.

Jeff: Oh, the hacking.

Josh: I didn’t see it though.

Jeff: And he’s going to get an eight-figure book signing deal for sure for $10 million. So he’ll do okay. But he did spend a lot of time in confined spaces. So, this whole thing is really fascinating. But your connections with the Chinese just blow me away.

Josh: Yeah.

Jeff: And Tiananmen and Falun Gong. Oh my God.

Josh: Yeah. Thanks for saying it. It blew me away too when I first saw it. And that’s why I thought it would be, like, such big news because kind of people sort of forgot about it between 2007 when he was holed up in the embassy. So that is about the start of Wikileaks.

Jeff: Yeah. Well, anything that you want to share on those tabs up on the top of your screen and I will add those links to the interview page. And is there anything you’d like to say before closing out? I’ve really found this fascinating and amazing. I can’t believe it. Anything you’d like to say before saying goodbye? Do you have any more information?

Josh: Well, there’s the whole Arab Spring thing, but I don’t want to, like, you got to go soon, right? So I don’t want to take up too much of your time.

Jeff: No, no. Go ahead. I thought you were done.

Josh: Oh, no, no, there’s a lot, but let me know if you have time.

Jeff: Go ahead. Let’s do the Arab Spring. I didn’t know. I thought you were finished. Well, go ahead.

Josh: The Arab Spring I also want to mention cryptome.org. So this is a real hacker leaker who started in 1995. And so he was sort of doing what Wikileaks was doing, but on a lower scale, on a smaller scale. And so but he’s a legit guy, sort of in that industry. This guy is John Young, and his website is cryptome.org. And yeah, I might not screen share it right now, but even on Wikileaks, you can look up the emails that he leaked between himself and Wikileaks staff in 2007. And what was happening, he was going to be part of Wikileaks.

They had invited him on, but right in January or 2007 or something like that, they announced a $5 million fundraiser for Wikileaks before having leaked any documents at all. And they were just sort of claiming we have a million documents ready to leak. They maybe gave a couple of hints about some Somalian government officials and corruption, I don’t know but they hadn’t leaked anything yet and there were no names and they wanted to fundraise $5 million.

So John Young started writing these emails that he later released on his own website with Wikileaks staff, just sort of telling them that they are probably getting their $5 million from the CIA, that they’re the worst of the worst. So he was just telling them that if they’re doing this $5 million fundraiser rather than starting out just without money, grassroots like he did then they were probably backed by some government institution such as the CIA. Let me think.

And so he went on these rants against them and essentially said that they pretty much have to be involved with the government. And so he quit because of that. So this very legitimate hacker, leaker guy who sort of was a godfather of this industry quit because of that. And so I think that’s pretty telling, too.

And I think what they were doing with these 5 million fundraisers is like, if we assume that it was sort of Assange and the CIA were Wikileaks from the start, then they were envisioning, imagining, visioning into the future that Assange would be flying different places and spending money and maybe they would have staff and people like journalists would start asking questions about where he got this money.

And so I think what they did is they did this six-month span where they were saying they were raising $5 million for the organization or obviously no one would actually send a bunch of no-names money. That way later on, once he was flying around the world, people would say, oh yeah, because they raised $5 million that’s where he got the money. So that’s where that is.

Jeff: Did they get the 5 million or did they say they got the 5 million?

Josh: I didn’t see anything about it after that. I didn’t see anything whether they said they got it or not. Yeah, it just like didn’t quite come up after that. And then after half a year, they started leaking some stuff about. Have you heard of the Cable Gate?

Jeff: Just the name.

Josh: Okay. So, essentially, right after they sort of gave themselves credibility through all these leaks on the Pentagon and the Iraq war and the war crimes in Afghanistan and everything showing people that they were leaking on the US government. Then they went right into Cable Gate, which was 150 cables between the State Department and 150 US embassies throughout the world. Dating back to before the 11 cables going back a decade or so, maybe. That had a lot to do with the diplomats in these countries.

The information they were sending back regarding the leaders of those countries. And so they used these cables, like, for instance, of Tunisia, about the leader, Ben Ali there to start what they called the Jasmine revolution in Tunisia, which kicked off the Arab Spring. That was the first one. And people even called it both people in Tunisia and people outside will often call it the Wikileaks revolution, because Wikileaks actually leaked this stuff, basically about corruption. It’s always kind of about corruption and lavish spending. Two weeks before this guy burned himself alive due to economic reasons.

Jeff: Yeah, yeah, the shop, the street vendor. I think he was a street vendor.

Josh: Yeah. Okay. So you’ve read about some of the stuff. And then they fed they poured oil onto the fire. They started it and then poured oil onto the fire. Gasoline onto the fire. Once it was already going to try to make Ben Ali look worse and try to get more citizen rebellion against that government. And then they did this over and over. So they did it in Egypt. Assange actually lived in Egypt in 2007, in a house right in between the British embassy and the American embassy in Cairo.

Jeff: This is like a John le Carré spy book.

Josh: But, yeah, this is in 2007. So he had already started Wikileaks. So that was already his mission in life. And then four years later, his leaks started the upheaval of Mubarak. And then from Mubarak, it went to Libya. And so there were already some protests, I guess, in Benghazi, I don’t know the geography that well of Libya.

Jeff: It’s in eastern Libya. And it’s always been kind of a rebellious city. It’s the second biggest city outside after Tripoli, which is in the west.

Josh: Right. And so that was going on. Gaddafi during the Tunisia Jasmine Revolution, had already gone on the radio and had addressed the Tunisian people, saying, “Don’t believe these lies from lying US ambassadors from Wikileaks. It’s meant to destabilize the Tunisian government.” So that’s what Gaddafi felt was going on even before protests hit Libya. So Wikileaks put out some leaks from these cables from Cable Gate about corruption amongst Gadhafi’s children, essentially, and lavish spending and stuff.

Once they put those out, two days later, the protests went massive in the center of Tripoli, only two days after they put them out. And then that’s what spawned the greater Arab Spring once that happened. From there, it really wasn’t too long, and I could even check. Only like two weeks after the protests hit big Tripoli then the UN backed a no-fly zone. And not too long after that, Britain, France, and the US just decided to take over the fly zone.

So essentially, Assange took out Gaddafi is what I’m saying here. Then it also hit Yemen, and they were able to oust the leader of Yemen, which later on led to this. It’s a little complicated there, but later on led to this whole Saudi bombing of Yemen and everything. So he caused the destabilization in that whole awful war there. And it also caused the protests in Syria which led to the civil war. So this was all Wikileaks, and he has interviews, and I’ll show you one with Amy Goodman where he sorts of talks about his strategy. Let me know if you can hear this.

Speaker3: “Also, in our strategy in dealing with this region.”

Josh: Can you hear that?

Jeff: Yeah.

Josh: Okay, great. So I’m going to play like a.

Speaker3: “Also, in our strategy in dealing with this region. And our survival strategy for Cable Gate was to overwhelm. That is, we have Saudi Arabia, for example, propping up a number of states in the Middle East in fact invading Bahrain even to do this. But when these states have problems of their own to deal with and political crises, their own to deal with, they turn inwards and they can’t be involved in this prop up.

So Cable Gate as a whole caused these elites that prop each other up into regions within the Arab-speaking countries and within between Europe and these countries and between the United States and these countries to have to deal with their own political crises and not spend time giving intelligence briefings on activists or sending in the SAS or other support and activists within Tunisia saw this very quickly. I think they started to see an opportunity and that information outside, a number of Wikileaks sites were then immediately banned by the Tunisian government. Al Akhbar was banned by the Tunisian government”.

Josh: Yeah. So he’s saying he was strategically putting out these leaks in order to isolate the leaders in the region from supporting each other. So he had this strategy for destabilization during this whole Arab Spring thing.

Speaker3: “So present presented a number of different facets a sort of that everyone could see and no one could deny that the Ben Ali regime was fundamentally corrupt. It’s not that the people there didn’t know it before, but it became undeniable to everyone, including the United States, and that the United States or at least the State Department could be read that if it came down to supporting the Army or Ben Ali, they would probably support the Army, the military class rather than the political class. So that gave activists and the army a belief that they could possibly pull it off.”

Josh: So did you catch what he said in that second part?

Jeff: So he’s claiming that he caused Ben Ali to be deposed.

Josh: Yes, exactly. And it sounds like an intelligence operative plan. That’s what he was.

Jeff: I lived in Tunisia for two years. I was in the Peace Corps there.

Josh: Oh, really?

Jeff: Yeah, I was a Peace Corps volunteer from 1980 to 1982 for 25 months. I was an agricultural extension agent, working with dairy farmers there in the mountains and the northeast of Tunisia for two years. So I know the country like the back of my hand. Yeah, Ben Ali was corrupt, but so are Joe Biden, so are Emmanuel Macron and so are Rishi Sunak and Schultz and every other Western leader are just as corrupt, if not more corrupt. So that’s really interesting. So he actually is bragging about the Arab Spring.

Josh: Exactly. And in another interview he even says, yeah, I’m really proud of it. Speaking about the Tunisian and Egyptian revolutions, he kind of claims some responsibility.

Jeff: And he was living in Cairo between the US and American embassies in 2007.

Josh: Yes, let me show you that clip really quick. It’s right here.

Speaker3: “I lived in Egypt during 2007. So I’m familiar with the Mubarak regime and the tensions within the Egyptian environment. Actually, I was staying at that time in rather an unusual circumstance where I was staying in Miss Egypt’s house. Miss Egypt’s house, other than having paintings of Miss Egypt all throughout was clustered right between the US embassy and the British High Commission. With a van outside filled with 24 soldiers in front of my front door. And so, for the sort of work we were doing, this seemed to be the sort of the ultimate cover, if you like to be right, nested amongst this”.

Josh: Yeah. So he just happened to find a house right in between the British High Commission and the US embassy.

Jeff: With Miss Egypt?

Josh: Yeah, yeah. I don’t know.

Jeff: Like, what is it called? Miss universe. Miss World. Yeah. Okay.

Josh: Exactly. Yeah. Miss Egypt in that sense. Yeah, yeah. And he goes on to say he got to kind of know the political landscape during that time of Cairo and Egypt from being there.

Jeff: And it really thought-provoking.

Josh: Yeah. So he kind of brags about this stuff. In a number of interviews, he details his strategy of isolating leaders and pouring oil onto the fire once protests are going on in Tunisia and places that even caused the protests to begin with. So it’s almost like a strategy for him to destabilize. In another interview in a moment, if we have time.

Jeff: Yeah, yeah, I want to see the whole thing.

Josh: Okay, I think what is going to talk about here is see, this is from eight years ago. So that would be 2016. So this is after it took place. But he talks about how the Arab Spring about how is his actions caused these Arab Spring upheavals of these leaders. And by the way, all of these leaders, what all that they all have in common is they had ruled for a long time. They had stability in their countries, and they were keeping radical Islamic terrorism in check, like all of them across the board Yemen, Gaddafi, Assad. And prior to 2016, I would say prior to Trump, we were basically in the war on terror, right?

Jeff: Of course.

Josh: Even though we were in the war on terror, what they really wanted the US government was these radical terrorists to destabilize. And so I’ll just play this clip and we can talk about it.

Speaker3: “We have a very interesting situation in world affairs where you have a popular uprising. That phrase is the existing order within a country and creates space for something new. Now left to the domestic forces alone, that seems to produce reasonably good results. So we see those reasonably good results in Tunisia, for example.

But when there were significant outside forces, organized outside forces, as there were in Libya, as there were in Egypt attempting to interfere with those outside forces NATO, for example, the United States, and Saudi Arabia, they were already very organized. They are organized governments. And so they have an organizational capacity that a new structure that is trying to evolve a new democratic structure does not have. So at one level Cable Gate describes.”

Josh: Yeah. So yeah. For in case anyone watching didn’t catch exactly what he was saying there, he’s saying that he’s pretty much aware that the US and NATO, these outside forces, as he calls them, will come into a destabilized situation into a situation where there’s a power vacuum and essentially, I don’t want to say take over, but exert their influence. And this is after the Arab Spring.

But people see Assange as just this really kind of intellectual and smart guy, and this guy that gets geopolitics, and he’s often talking about geopolitics to us as though he kind of gets it better than the average person sort of explaining it to us. So it’s hard for me to believe that he didn’t get this back in 2011 before he destabilized this whole region and all these leaders. I don’t know was there anything you wanted to know?

Jeff: No, he reminds me of. Do you know, who Gene Sharp is?

Josh: I can’t remember.

Jeff: Well, Gene Sharp was the head of the Einstein Institute, which is a CIA cover. It’s a CIA shell cover. He was the one who developed the whole idea of peaceful resistance to overthrow unfriendly countries. He was actually in Beijing days before June 4th, 1989. And they’re organizing the students and trying to foment violence. And then Deng Xiaoping finally figured out what was going on and deported him to Hong Kong.

But he is considered to be the godfather of color revolutions. He was the guy who came up with this whole jasmine, giving it a name and giving it a symbol. He wrote the book on that, and that was called the Einstein Institute which is a real sacrilege to Einstein because he was a socialist. What all this that he’s talking about, it sounds like what Gene Sharp would say. And he was a CIA agent, I mean, right, he was running a CIA front.

Josh: I got to check him out, and I really want to. Yeah. Check out the Einstein Institute.

Jeff: Yeah, yeah, I’ll send you. I have all the links on the China Writers group and Tiananmen Library website and I’ll send you the stuff on him.

Josh: Video or two, I think of yours about Tiananmen, which is really good. Was there a name for that revolution?

Jeff: No, no, that was really the first one and they just called it Tiananmen. But then after that they started the Cypress Revolution in Lebanon, the Umbrella Revolution in Hong Kong, and the Orange Revolution in Georgia. They were giving these names so that it was like branding so that it would stick in people’s minds. So anything else you’d like to show us on those tabs up there?

Josh: Well, I’ll just show you the last thing he says here about ISIS.

Speaker3: “ISIS took before the Islamic State existed.”

Speaker4: “Well, where did the Islamic State come from? Where did you part?”

Speaker3: “Do you believe America created it?”

Speaker4: “Tribal destabilization in Syria and in Iraq created ISIS.”

Speaker3: “Created the Islamic State.”

Speaker4: “American destabilization together with the destabilization provided by Europe, Libya, together with the destabilization provided by US allies Saudi, Qatar, and Turkey, is what has created the Islamic State. And it is what continues to propel the Islamic State.”

Josh: So like he obviously knew that this, overthrowing of leaders would cause destabilization that led to what he just talked about with the powers that destabilized and caused ISIS after. Yeah, I would say that Libya is sort of the perfect example, there’s sort of libertarian philosophy that if you get rid of corruption in government then everything will get better because they got rid of corruption there, or they got rid of these corrupt officials and Gadhafi’s kids and Gadhafi. So the corruption was gone. So theoretically, all that money that they were siphoning off should then be there for the common Libyan to benefit from. And it wasn’t the common Libyan is probably living worse off. Well, definitely living worse off post-Gadhafi than it.

Jeff: It was a socialist Paradise. That’s why they wanted him out.

Josh: Right. Even during sanctions. Yeah, they were doing good.

Jeff: Free housing, free education, free medical care, $0.02 a gallon for gas-free, free education at Oxford and Cambridge, huge payouts for babies to have children literally giving people a free house, building irrigation canals in the desert to feed the people. But what sealed his fate was that he wanted to use Libya’s 200 tons of gold to create a gold-backed African dinar.

And that’s signed his death sentence because then that would threaten the dictatorship of the US dollar and to a lesser extent, Europe. So that’s why he was taken out because he was trying to make Africa independent and free from Western colonialism. So of course, that 200 tons of gold disappeared. Nobody knows what happened to it. But the last time that they heard about it, it was sent off to Europe someplace.

Josh: Oh, he in Libya’s vaults or reserves?

Jeff: Yeah, yeah, it had 200 tons of the African dinar. Within days of him being assassinated, sodomized on camera, and then murdered the 200 tons. And the best they can tell went to either Switzerland or London.

Josh: Okay, yeah, that makes sense. It’s like it’s horrific they did to that country.

Jeff: Well what else? This is really fascinating.

Josh: Do you want more?

Jeff: Sure.

Josh: I don’t want to bore you.

Jeff: No, no go ahead. What else?

Josh: Okay. Yeah, we got a little bit more. Yeah, here:

Speaker3: “As a result predominantly of these young people are being organized and treated. Now, we did feed very specific tables into this situation and imported as much oil onto this fire as we could by releasing hundreds of cables about the Egyptian regime and specifically about Mubarak’s abuses and Suleiman. Now there was a ploy to put Suleiman in power when Mubarak started to be questioned. Suleiman was the intelligence head hated by human rights activists.”

Josh: Yeah. So essentially just that part about throwing as much oil onto the fire as possible during the Egyptian.

Jeff: Yeah and he admits that.

Josh: Yes. Yeah. It’s like a strategy that he’s like telling us about like proudly.

Jeff: To take down governments that the United States and Europe don’t want.

Josh: Exactly. And Egypt after Mubarak ended up with the Muslim Brotherhood for a bit and then a military coup Muslim Brotherhood and both were authoritarian and nothing improved there through his.

Jeff: Well, of course, the Muslim Brotherhood was eventually subsumed by the CIA. I mean, now the Muslim Brotherhood is the CIA. Oh, absolutely.

Josh: I didn’t know that.

Jeff: Yeah, it didn’t originally start out as the CIA, but it didn’t take the CIA long to use it as a source of tension to destabilize governments in the Muslim world.

Josh: Yeah, exactly.

Jeff: Which is why so many Muslim leaders ban it because they know that it’s there to try to destabilize the government and overthrow it.

Josh: Exactly. Yeah. And I would imagine it also brings some elements of sort of just two, maybe orthodox Islam that those leaders who are more moderate might not want. I’m not sure.

Jeff: Yeah, I’m not either, but I do know I’ve read articles about how it was essentially taken over by MI6, CIA, and kind of like Gene Sharp and it sounds more and more like Julian Assange as a way to destabilize the government. And then put in a puppet government that will do the West’s bidding.

Josh: Yeah.

Jeff: Unbelievable. Have you got another one? I see Clinton urges global something and what’s that.

Josh: Oh so this is actually about the global internet freedom.

Jeff: Okay, okay.

Josh: And so in 2010, she was pushing this at the museum at the Newseum sort of citing, like, China as this the great, what do you call it, the great?

Jeff: The Great Firewall, the Great Chinese Firewall.

Josh: Yeah. And she was saying we have to fight this. And so she was out in front with this Global Internet Freedom.

Jeff: Yeah. Oh, internet, okay, I see.

Josh: Yeah, where these people come from. I’ll show you one where he talks about being proud of these Arab springs.

Jeff: Sure.

Speaker4: “This is almost typical Wikileaks theory. You’ve always said if information was available, there would be a political flow. I mean, you must be sort of ticking your boxes going there would be an ethics.”

Speaker3: “I mean, it’s extremely gratifying. Yes. I mean, I’ve had all this, all these troubles in London. But to see this happening elsewhere, I think worth every cent of time wasted on the other thing.”

Josh: Yeah.

Jeff: So what was he talking about London? I didn’t get that.

Josh: He was mentioning London as a side note. This was more talking about Tunisia.

Jeff: Okay.

Josh: So he was saying that it was totally worth it. It was awesome to see.

Jeff: Governments being overthrown and people being killed and riots in the streets and blood. That’s just unbelievable.

Josh: Yeah, exactly.

Jeff: Oh, another golden calf was slaughtered. Unbelievable.

Josh: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, I feel as though him being because I put out a video. It’s kind of about this stuff, the Arab Spring stuff. I still hadn’t dug up yet before he was released from prison. And so I kind of feel like his being freed from prison sort of helps my argument more than anything. Anyway, we’ll see.

Jeff: I just wonder I’m trying to obviously he did all this, and he was thinking that he was bulletproof. And he wasn’t. Somebody didn’t like him. And I don’t know that these two Swedish women talked about unprotected sex. And I don’t know where he was when that happened.

Josh: Sweden, I’m pretty sure.

Jeff: Was it pretty being Sweden? So obviously he did all this and if he is compromised it sure looks like he was definitely involved in these government overthrows, then he would not be the first agent to be betrayed, and that’s for sure. I mean, this happens all the time, and others get assassinated. Well, anyway, are we finished? I don’t want to say. It’s time to wrap it up and you still have more. Do you have other things or do you want to kind of wrap it up?

Josh: Well, I’ll just add quickly about after this Arab Spring, they hadn’t been able to take out Assad.

Jeff: Yeah, yeah. He’s still there thanks to the Russians.

Josh: Yeah, totally. And so Wikileaks after the Cable Gate, their next thing was called the Syria Files, which was both to embarrass the Assad government and to embarrass any corporations doing business with the Assad government. So they had this Friends of Syria conference in Paris I believe in 2012. They’d had a couple of them before, but this was now, like the largest of them. I think China and Russia were abstaining or weren’t quite on board. And the UN didn’t go for UN sanctions on Syria, but they got this hundred or so countries together anyway.

And even Kofi Annan not so much as the spokesman for the UN, but as a spokesman for the cause of sanctioning Syria. And so that’s what they were doing at this conference in Paris in 2012. Wikileaks release announced this release of the Syria Files the day before this Friends of Syria meeting. And to think that just by coincidence, someone dropped in their Dropbox all 2.5 million documents on Assad and Syria just after they had caused the Arab Spring. I don’t know, it’s not believable to me.

Jeff: Well, you know why China and Russia didn’t jump on board is because they were mortified. They were mortified by what happened in Libya. They actually agreed to the no-fly zone. China and Russia both voted because they could have vetoed it, but they didn’t. And they were absolutely mortified by what the West did after that they bombed it into oblivion. And now it’s a slave state. And then I can’t remember when the North Korean sanctions were.

I’d have to go back and look. I want to say 2006 or whatever 2007 I may be off on that, but they voted again for sanctions on North Korea and of course now and obviously ended up regretting it terribly. And then of course, now with Russia signing a mutual defense treaty with the DPRK two weeks ago when President Putin went to visit the Korean leader, Kim obviously that Russia’s going to make sure those sanctions don’t keep causing people pain and misery.

And I’m convinced that also China so much common border and railroad tracks and bridges and roads going across the border. I’m sure the Chinese and the darkness of night kept providing stuff to the North Koreans because they didn’t want the North Koreans to suffer. And of course, the United States is still trying to push for more sanctions on North Korea. But after Libya and North Korea, I don’t think China and Russia will ever join the United States and or the West in general for any sanctions anywhere.

Josh: That was like those were game changers for them. That’s good to know. They felt like they had to play the game for a little while.

Jeff: Well, I think they thought back then the American, the West still had credibility and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah blah, blah blah, but not anymore. So, now with the global south rising up, the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, BRICS, etc., and the Belt and Road Initiative obviously they do not have to worry so much about trying to please the Imperial West.

Josh: Right. Yeah. It’s a totally different world at this point than back in, like, the 2010s and 2011 when Libya was attacked. Thankfully, I mean we’ll see what happens, but yeah, just a totally different landscape. I mean, back then, in 2011, it was just like the height of the post-Soviet era where the walls could just kind of do whatever it wanted unipolar world.

Jeff: Full spectrum dominance.

Josh: So yeah, I mean, that’s pretty much all I got.

Jeff: Well that’s all you got. My gosh. That’s unbelievable. You can share whatever you know. You need to send me the links to your two videos. So if all this information is in there, then don’t worry about it. You don’t have to. But if there are any links that you would like to share with the fans out there please forward them to me for the internet page, the web page for your interview. All right?

Josh: Yeah, it was fun talking.

Jeff: Josh, thank you so much. I have been talking to Josh Snider, an American living in Argentina, who has done extensive research on Wikileaks and Julian Assange. I’m closing out this interview with a totally different perspective on the man and on the organization. And I’m sure this is going to shock a lot of people and piss a lot of people off. But your case is extremely persuasive. So I think it’s definitely worth it. I want people to watch it and listen to it.

Josh: Yeah. Well, thanks for having me on. And just kind of giving me the chance to present it.

Jeff: This is Jeff J. Brown China Rising Radio Sinoland Seeks Truth From The Facts Foundation, the China Writers Group, and the Bioweapon Truth Commission. Signing out to Josh Snider in Argentina. And I will give you a Buddhist bow with my Buddhist bracelet and wish you the best in the cold winter of Southern hemisphere Argentina.

Josh: All right. Thanks a lot, Jeff.

Jeff: Take care. Bye.

Josh: All right.

Jeff: Bye-bye.

Resources

Josh’s introduction

I’m from Boston, MA. And I live in Argentina. I work as an accent coach online.

I’ve always been interested in history and politics. I started out as a progressive, and have always been anti-establishment.

My eyes opened up to larger conspiracies and such through the 9/11 truth movement. But I never shifted to libertarianism economically, as most truthers did.

I would consider myself an anti-imperialist developmentalist. And I have no real qualifications in regards to history or politics. Just a guy who’s passionate about them.

The only social media I have right now is my YouTube channel: Letting My Thoughts Out. And I created it just to let my thoughts out on these themes.

In regards to WikiLeaks, I always felt they were a government psyop from the first time I read about them. But I didn’t know what their purpose was.

Recently, while researching Trump, I ended up researching Wikileaks, since they had promoted trump in the 2016 elections. And I came to find that they’re a regime change tool of the US gov’t, whose aim was to overthrow global south governments. And their initial target was China, above all else.

Here are the videos I made about it:

https://youtu.be/7Iss3Ni9iUA

https://youtu.be/JOgZstBBl1M

Wikileaks goals 2007

https://www.wikileaks.org/wiki/Media/Web_site_aims_to_post_government_secrets

2007 Fed Times Article

https://www.wikileaks.org/wiki/Media/Web_site_aims_to_post_government_secrets

WL About Page 2007

https://www.wikileaks.org/wiki/WikiLeaks:About/ar

2007 WL FAQ Page, Malaria Segment

https://wikileaks.org/wiki/Draft:FAQ1#Why_is_an_open_government_so_important.3F

GIFC About Page

http://www.internetfreedom.org/about/index.html

GIFC Governmental Support

http://www.internetfreedom.org/Supports.html

WL 2007 Advisory Board

https://wikileaks.org/wiki/Advisory_Board

2009 Article on WL Advisory Board

https://www.wired.com/story/exposed-wikileaks-secrets/

FACT Support Page

https://facthai.wordpress.com/about/supports/

FACT Gave WL its First Leak in 2006

https://facthai.wordpress.com/?s=assange

2007 Sydney Herald Article

https://www.smh.com.au/national/chinese-cyber-dissidents-launch-wikileaks-a-site-for-whistleblowers-20070111-gdp7x1.html

Assange Interviews:

Democracy Now: Arab Spring Strategy

https://youtu.be/yLaxrayVHR8?si=q2_PTI5UZbu1gFbB

Channel 4: Destabilization, ISIS

https://youtu.be/jfSRQ5RU9Gg?si=dPXFD7T4V5yYSoiZ

‘We poured fuel on the fire in Egypt’

https://youtu.be/dPIvoK44ZZU?si=s0V3sV-vXQotaNkd

SBS Dateline on Arab Spring

https://youtu.be/BplfViSKd6Y?si=07imG3m4eByGHkfB

Outside resources

2010: Proofs Busting Wikileaks as a Palestinian Hating Jewish Disinformation Op and Assange as a Monster (Truth Bomb)

Here:  Deconstructing Wikileaks

https://www.radios.cz/pdf/deconstructing-wikileaks.pdf

If you use Yandex as a search engine, everything is there.  It was from the beginning that the idea was the Assange was CIA, and it looks like that.  That is because of the way he worked.  As he received information, he told the alphabets what he had, and told them he is going to publish, unless there is something that will harm or hurt individuals.   The alphabet agencies had full vision of what Assange was working with.  I am not saying it is right, I am saying it was the way it worked.

Assange was always a westerner.  It was a hackers dream to ‘break the Chinese firewall’, and get through it.  All hackers dreamt of that.  And where do you get your information?  From dissidents of course.

But Assange did not stay the way he was.  As a result of what he was receiving or dealing with, he changed, yet he stuck to the principle that his material must not hurt or harm someone else.  Of course the leaks that came to him, may have been very suspect at times.  The more he worked with the blob, the more he changed.   The more he worked with his way of leaking, i.e., consulting with the alphabets and then sending to the major msm to use while he leaked on his sites, the more he realized he was working with horrible sharks.  He really was an idealist.

There are hundreds of stories – again Yandex.  The story about malaria is absolutely true.  The money for medicine for malaria (first hand information here as we’ve given people that worked in this area, safe haven and hid them away and helped them get away), disappeared into government coffers and the treatment plans were not followed.  I have further information here but there are reasons that I don’t live in my country of African birth any longer and have not done so for many years.  This is one of the reasons.

For the first half I am guessing of the time of wikileaks, I would say that Assange was taken for a ride and he was idealistically stupid.  The second half was when he realized that … and stopped doing that.

Julian Assange is a true example of: “He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.” – Nietzsche

On the overall, I still think he did superb work and the problems started when he realized he was starting into the abyss and stopped sharing what he received in.  Then is when his bloodbath started.

Cheers

Amarynth at www.GlobalSouth.co

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