By Jeff J. Brown
Pictured above: few people have packed as much wealth of experience and knowledge into 84 years on Earth, as Einar Schlereth has. His autobiographical book, “The Odious Germans” tells all.
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Jeff J. Brown: Good afternoon, everybody. This is Jeff J. Brown China Rising Radio Sinoland and I have a very special guest on the show today and it is Mr. Einar Schlereth. How are you doing in Einar.
Einar Schlereth: Fine, and you.
Jeff: I’m doing great. You know, I was when we agreed to do this interview, I was thinking when did we start communicating with each other?
Einar: It’s somewhere to beginning of 2018?
Jeff: Well, I think it was maybe before that. I thought it was after I wrote my first book and you put me in touch with Zambon and about getting my book translated. And I thought it was before. I thought we’d been in touch long before that.
Einar: But it seems it seems long. I wrote recently for one last week I wrote again to another publisher Westend Verlag and offered them recommend to them your book 44 Days.
Jeff: Very nice of you.
Jeff: But anyway, I have become you know, this happens a lot in the publishing journalism book writing world. You become friends with people, but maybe you don’t even ever get maybe you don’t get to meet in person, but you become good friends by email and phone calls and everything. And that’s what’s happened with Einar and me. So let me read you Einar’s introduction. It’s pretty impressive. I mean, it’s really impressive.
And he was born in 1937 so that makes him now almost eighty four years old so. And he wrote his in the first person. So please allow me to recite what Einar sent me on his blog Web site. I will include, plus the link to the book that I read. I will include the link to the book that I read and that’s kind of what got this interview going. As I said, I’d love to read your book and let’s talk about it.
So anyway, let me read you his amazing story,
I was born in 1937 in the town of Marienwerder, which was then the government seat of Western Prussia and today belongs to Poland. On 1 January 1945 the whole family had to flee for the duration of 10 months to Bad Neustadt an der Saale in Franconia in the southern German state of Bavaria, my father’s home. In 1956 I passed the high school diploma, Abitur, and went to Hamburg to do English and Romance philology. Due to a break with my fascist parents I had to finance my studies all by myself, by working in 50 different industries, from building sites and ports to being an extra on film sets and assistant cameraman. In 1957 I had my first experiences with demonstrations in Paris (against France’s war in Algeria) and police. From 1960 – 1965 I studied in Freiburg im Breisgau, and between 1965 and 1966 I was the art director of a well known art gallery in Scandinavia. At the end of 1966 I moved to Stockholm, where my daughter was born. In 1967 I had close contacts with the FNL movement and the mass demonstrations against the US war in Vietnam. Also, I was a member of Clarté.
In 1968 I returned to Frankfurt am Main in Germany, where I was very active in the student movement. I wrote my first articles, translations and lectures for student leaflets. In 1970 I had my first publication ‘Indonesien: Analyse eines Massakers’ [Indonesia: Analysis of a Massacre]. My translations included Philippe Gavi’s ‘Konterrevolution in Indonesien’ [Contrerévolution en Indonésie] and Frantz Fanon’s ‘Afrikanische Revolution’ [Révolution Africaine], among others. I was co-founder of the first periodical in West Germany for Third World issues. I collaborated with Turkish and Spanish workers and their publications as well as student groups from Palestine, Iran, Ethiopia, Eritrea etc.
In 1971 I moved to Hamburg where I worked for 25 years as a freelancer for the Northern German Broadcasting Corporation NDR as well as Radio Bremen. I did features on the Third World, the environment (Spain, Switzerland, Canada), ethnic minorities (Basques, Sami, Rhaetians) and further publications on Indonesia and China. From 1979 to 1981 I lived in Tanzania with my family where I wrote features for radio (including a six part course in Swahili) and two books (due to the economic crisis only one of them was published: ‘Null Uhr – wenn die Sonne aufgeht’ [Zero hours – when the sun is rising]). After my return and because of waning interest in Third World issues I had to spend more time doing translations. I worked for almost all the big German publishers translating internationally renowned authors like Juan Goytisolo ‘La chanca’, Jan Myrdal ‘Indien wartet’, Fatima Mernissi ‘Angst vor der Moderne’ and Victor Ostrovsky’s books on Mossad.
For 10 years I was chairman of the German Chinese Friendship Society. I also continued my work in the Palestine, East Timor and Afghanistan (I published the ‘Afghanistan Pages’ and undertook a fact finding journey to Peshawar, where we ran a small hospital and a school) solidarity movements.
In 1994 I lived in Andalusia for a year, in a tiny house with a garden on a terrace high above the town of Motril. The jobs with the radio and the publishers gradually vanished. One publisher, while on a visit, encouraged me to write down my ‘memories’ (in which I predicted the consequences of the Oslo Accord with shocking accuracy). When he was about to publish them many years later, he died.
In 1995 I travelled to Sweden together with a friend (both of us are aficionados of Scandinavia), where each of us bought a house in the village of Klaveström. Since in Hamburg the situation in the job and housing market got more and more difficult (in 1989 the low paid translators flocked in great numbers from the GDR into West Germany, which greatly delighted the publishers), I moved to Sweden for good in 1998. Initially I still got the odd translation job, but that came to a complete end in 1999. So I got jobs – as house renovator, gardener, language course leader and teacher. Since 2003 I am a pensioner.
In 2007 I travelled in Venezuela for five weeks. I was tremendously impressed by the country and for the first time I could sense, and almost smell, the meaning of freedom, real freedom, not the pseudo freedom enjoyed in our ‘democracies’. The result was a six part documentary in Swedish, which was published by various websites and is now available on Tlaxcala. This brings me to my last point: I have been a member of Tlaxcala since 2009, something I am really proud of, because I can work together with so many dedicated people who are deeply committed to a common endeavour. And I sincerely hope that we can continue a few more years together with our endeavour like Tlaxcala, Nyhetsbanken and my blogg which I started at that time.
Anyway Einar what an incredible I’ve never had the honor of such an amazing introduction is that so welcome to China Rising Radio Sinoland.
Einar: But you had also a tremendous life.
Jeff: Well nothing compared to yours and I will put his book link on my site.
How do you pronounce your name correctly.
Einar: Strangely as first German I got this name because it’s a Swedish name and it is old name it comes from Iceland, Norway.
Jeff: Oh wow. OK, I thought it was maybe like one of the names from southern Mexico.
Einar: No no, my uncle, he married a Danish woman and they got a son and named him Einar and at the same time I was born. And so I got it too. But my father had difficulties to give me the name because it didn’t exist in Germany. I was first Einar in Germany but nowadays in Germany are some more.
Jeff: Ok, great. Well, listen, I read your book, it is called for the fans out there, it’s called The Odious Germans. Of course, that sarcastic. What Einar means is that the Germans are not odious. It’s just that people call them odious. He originally wrote it in German and then he translated it into English.
And I got the ebook and read it and I just loved it. It’s a kind of a chatty, talky, semiautobiographical book about his life and geopolitics and everything else. It’s almost like you’re talking to someone, you know, in a cafe and listening to someone that you like to ask questions to as you read through it. So I know I really loved it. And I hope you all after this interview will buy it. It’s really inexpensive. I got the book from a Swedish book site.
And so I hope you all will follow through and do the same anyway. Einar you have led an amazing, colorful and productive life, very worthy of the autobiography you wrote in German and translated into English, The odious Germans is there. Please introduce yourself to everybody listening and watching this interview and tell us about who, what, where, when and how you became a communist.
Einar: So that’s a quite difficult question, how I became a communist.
First, was our journey from Prussia to Germany when I was a young child. On the roads, there were fighter planes. Fighter planes. Well there was alarm. We all went always out of the car she was running with her baby car.
And then came up there an American fighter jet and he was so near I could see exactly see the guys have faces grinning and laughing and then shooting with an M.G. and they missed they made the round, came back and then they shot them down, you know, can you imagine. But then my mother, my father, maybe he put me down in the ditch. I don’t remember more. I had only seen these pictures of…
Yeah. But we knew we could distinguish English and American airplanes and. Yeah. And you know, terrible.
Once in Germany, my long history it started very strangely in that small town where we arrived after ’45 in southern Germany. In the small town Bad Neustadt an der Saale in Franconia (my fathers home) where the people were 95% catholics, you could call them catholic fundamentalists.
Then we came and I was very young we had been one year on the road and then we arrived it nearly it was end of ’45 and we got a a small room, about 20 square meters, where the whole family, my father, mother, older sister and a young sister who was born on the road.
Well, we were very poor because we had lost nearly everything. Yeah, some things my father could put in his car which he could keep because he had lost a leg in the army before the war and because he was editor in chief – he was somebody. But now we were poor devils. They called us pollacks and on top of it we were poor and heathens.
So I was beaten of young girls. Teenies who beat me up because I didn’t went to their church. I learned something about Christianity – a big experience – the first time that I had to think about. What’s that? What’s that Christianity and why did they beat me? I couldn’t understand it.
Here I have to describe my situation a little bit. When we moved into the room in 1946, I was 8 years old. And that’s when my work as a house servant began. I had to transport the wood sawed on the street by a machine to the 3 m high terrace, then split it and pile it up in our corner. Every day I had to carry wood up to the 3rd floor and coals from the cellar. I also had to collect wood in the forest that started right in front of the house on the mountain crowned by the Salzburg. Also berries, wild fruit and mushrooms.
Finally we got a tiny apartment with too small rooms and a small kitchen in
town beyond the river. There I had less to do except the wood. But otherwise I had more time for myself because my father had to work so he was glad if we spent our time outside whenever the weather permitted it.
With fourteen we moved to a villa at the northern end of the town. We occupied the bottom floor and a couple the first floor. Three years before my exam at the high school I got a nice room on the third floor, where I could communicate with my only friend Heinrich, who lived two houses further away also on the 3rd floor.
There was a big garden where the two parties in the house had one half of it.
There I became a gardener too. I dug the garden, sowed, planted, oculated, harvested (there were many berry bushes). Cooked jam, gathered the leaves and regularly had to wash the car.
That everything depended on me was due to the fact that my father had only one leg, my oldest sister got with 12 years a heavy diabetes and died with 26. The second sister was too small. And my mother became after the birth of my oldest sister totally paralyzed. She was transported to Königsberg (today Kaliningrad), where she was treated with electric shocks and was cured after a long time.
I remember our visit, the big hospital, the endless corridor, where I and my little sister had to wait for our father who entered first. Afterwards she was always sickly and had to be spared. I always suspected that she took advantage of that. It became apparent much later, when I was long out of the house and her husband was dead at 59, that she led an eventful life and in the end lived with an SS man until her death.
Back to our first one room apartment. Along the roads, fruit trees were planted everywhere and my father had sharply admonished me not to pick fruits, but only to pick up them from the ground. It was not long before the peasants were chasing us with pitchforks. So I thought, if that’s the way it is, I’ll pick my fruit from now on. I soon knew where which fruit was ripe and then I was on the spot. I was chased only once by 2 guys who wanted to heckle me, but I was a good runner and I ran like hell with two bags of pears. One guy was close on my heels, but if he had grabbed me, he would have gotten a bag between his legs. But he gave up.
Later on – as I already mentioned – we got a little apartment in town on the other side of the river Saale. Two small rooms and a small kitchen. No bath and the toilet we had to share with other families. I liked the place. It was a beer pub with a banquet hall behind the house, which abutted against the city wall. On the roof we could hang out our laundry and there you could overlook the whole valley all the way over to the spa and the imposing castle. In the middle there was a nice swimming pool. From our apartment windows we could beyond a high wall partially overlook the garden of a sister convent.
At that place my father could settle down as a publisher’s representative. His career as journalist was over. Somehow he had got a ‘Persilschein‘ (Persil was a known washing powder, that washed him clean of Nazism) and maybe he thought it was better to break with the past. My friends father wasn’t so lucky or smart. He had been Gauleiter and spent several years in the “re-education camp” – a former concentration camp. From many quarters I heard about him that he was a decent and helpful guy and not a fanatical nazi.
My father got some famous publishing houses and his job was to visit twice in the year all booksellers in Bavaria and Hessen (the two US-occupied provinces). He seemed to do a good job. I had to deliver every day a package of letters for the last train at the station.
This looks very interesting. I beg your pardon?
I have to draw the shades. I get the sun straight in my face.
Jeff: Yeah. Yeah. I was going to ask you to turn the light down or something.
Einar: It’s the sun, but the sun you can’t turn down.
Jeff: But in winter, it’s nice to have the sun. Anyway, you were talking about your father – doing very well, a very good dealer and I asked you about communism.
How did you become a communist?
Well at the high school, a very arrogant guy, son of a rich doctor had some trouble with a very poor boy. And he gave him a beating. And at the end, he broke his arm. And I got so furious that I gave him a big beating.
After that, I took care of this little poor guy, who was smaller than me – he came from a very, very poor peasant family in a small village five kilometers away. I went several times to his home by foot to bring him the lessons, you know, and there I saw how terribly poor these people were living at the same time doing hard work.
Yeah, this whole region was very poor as at that time around the Rhön volcanic mountains it was a traditional emergency area. Well there in the poor village of my friend I got some ideas how to change that. I thought that you should be paid after the time and the amount of energy you need whether you did furniture or cars or plowing the field. And I don’t know where those ideas came from, because there lived 90 percent of Catholics. I did never heard a word about socialism. My father was a fascist and had a library and there you couldn’t find one book on socialism, you know, so I don’t know where they came from.
But around the volcano there were plenty of spas. And the yankees they loved spas. They were luxurious and all were confiscated. Plenty of villas were confiscated the owners were chased away and allowed to take only what they could carry. For houses which were abandoned by the owners the soldiers found a nice trick. They allowed a German family to move in. When they were installed the soldiers came back and chased them away. They were only allowed to take away what they could carry. Thus they lost their last belongings.
Some 20 kms away was a gigantic US-headquarter in Bad Wildflecken. There were always a lot of trouble – theft, brawls, rapes and murder. But this was only ever whispered about behind closed doors. No newspaper was allowed to report these things. They reported only about Russian rapes which were stopped quite soon.
And later on when I was studying at Hamburg and had to earn my money, the other companions who were also working for life, came from southern Europe – Italians, Spaniards, Turkish people, even from Egypt and Iran. And several of them were communists and I had a lot of discussions with them I discovered that my own ideas were socialist ideas.
I remember a very large young guy from Iran and he had studied philosophy in Hamburg and had made his diploma with summa laude. A very good looking and soft spoken man.
Einar: Another guy – also very tall but more massive but good looking and blue-eyed was from Kurdistan – also a communist. Very gentle. Once he invited me to his student digs because he had received a package of pastries from home. They were very sweet and very tasty.
Jeff: Oh yes, wonderful.
Einar: I can tell you that all communists I met from many countries, especially from Asia and Africa were always agreeable people except those from Germany. They were often narrow-minded, dogged, opinionated, uncomfortable. For that reason perhaps they never succeeded in a revolution.
Oh, I want to tell you my first encounter with those terrible Russians, you know those ‘Untermenschen‘. We were on the run and once we were with maybe hundred people accommodated in a waiting room of a railway station.
Most people were already sleeping – one single electric bulb dangled from the ceiling – when suddenly the door opened and those who were still awake whispered in horror “The Russians!”. Two Russians took careful steps over the sleeping people and came straight to our corner where father, mother with her baby, my sister and I were sitting and gave us each a bar of chocolate without a word. I think they were attracted by our two bright white blonde curly heads. So those were the bad, bad Russians. My parents did not say a word. Not even later.
Jeff: Go ahead.
Einar: Now I’m coming to the fourth and definite episode. My new girlfriend and I decided to make a little 3-week-journey to Sweden. A kind of honeymoon, although we never married on principle. She knew Sweden too and after two months she told me that she was pregnant. We both had jobs and therefore also insured. The delivery was free and unproblematic. We got a sweet little girl.
Consequently, we stayed and rented a cottage in the Skärgården, the island paradise off Stockholm. Halfway between the capital and our island was a very big industries where I found a job. It was the time of the huge Vietnam demonstrations which we never missed.
At one of the last demos I got into a conversation with a young man. We decided to talk further in a café. It lasted a few hours. We discussed socialism and there he recommended me to read the ‘Capital’ – all three volumes. I immediately went out to buy them.
And the hard work began. At the factory, I worked in the bathtub department where the tubs were sprayed with enamel then fired in a kiln at least 50 meters long at 1200° C and left the kiln at 60-65° C. Then they were received by a Finn and me with asbestos gloves and stacked six tubs high.
Imagine – near the kiln it was at least 50° C hot and outside it was at least -35 °C. So we were daily exposed to a temperature change of 85 °C. A big strong man collapsed in the evening and was never seen again. It was the coldest winter since 100 years.
Well – in the evening I ate something, recovered half an hour and then I studied the ‘Capital’ – line by line and checked every bill. I was fascinated. Marx described factory life as if it had been recorded the day before.
After that studium I went on and studied Engels, Lenin, Stalin, Bebel, Lasalle, Bakunin, Trotsky and Mao. Marx, Engels, Mao seemed to me the most stringent. And their thoughts still guide me today.
Back to Bad Neustadt. I had one friend, Heinrich whose elder brother became my brother-in-law. They lived in Canada. There were at High School 2 -3 more guys I liked but they were sons to Siemens engineers who were constantly replaced. I was a lonely wolf (my name says it: the one who is fighting alone) who loved to stroll through the woods with my tabby cat which followed me everywhere. I gave a lot of private lessons in math, physics etc, to raise some money for the Saturday dances at the Salzburg. I liked the long walks with Heinrich very much.
After my Graduation baccalaureate I was working three months on a large farm as a prerequisite for studying agriculture. The owners – a elderly couple without children – were ready to sell their farm to my father. The longer I thought about it with my father as boss on the farm the less I liked the idea. So I gave it up and went 1957 to the University of Hamburg to study English studies and Romance as a working student. These parallel studies outside the university seem to me more important as I told here already above. Like Maxim Gorki who wrote a book ‘My Universities’ and meant all the hard work he was doing.
Jeff: Before reading your book, I was always sitting on the fence about the numbers involved and what happened in World War II’s concentration camps. Based on your extensive research and explanations, you show that the dominant Big Lie Propaganda Machine version is just that – mostly fiction. Please tell us about what really happened and why and how it got so distorted into a global myth.
Einar: Yes Jeff you are also reading this important book of Jim Macgregor & Gerry Docherty about the ‘Hidden History of WWI’. There I found finally the key and start for the hate campaigns against Germany. That Jesuit Secret Society organized by Cecil Rhodes, Brett and Lord Esher, Lord Rothschild, the Queen, Churchill, Milner and so on hated Germany to the point of obsession.
They had one goal: the total destruction of Germany – and Russia, too. Until the last hour, Wilhelm II tried to prevent the war, but his cousin Tsar Nicholas was too weak. He allowed himself to be bought. But the whole plan was thrown into confusion: 1. by the October Revolution in Russia and 2. By the intervention of the USA. And Wilhelm II made an enormous mistake when he handed over the reins to Ludendorff. He could fight battles, but he had no idea about politics. There was the possibility to come to an agreement with Lenin, which the bovine Ludendorff thoroughly blew.
Jeff: You write about how the real World War II holocaust was perpetrated by the UK, US and France onto Russia. You referred a lot to a book I’m now reading, thanks to you, “Secret History”, to explain the true story. Please share with us what you learned.
Einar: Jeff, you’re mixing up some things during WWI. In October 1917 started the Russian Revolution. All the capitalists were scared to death. The Socialist, the Social Democratic Parties were scared to death. So the US took the leadership and they forgot WWI and organized the war against those terrible communists. The US assembled 17 nations for the big fight.
The Germans, the British, the French, the Austrians, Italians, Bulgars etc fought side on side against the Bolsheviks. The English landed in Norway and Finland, the Americans in Manchuria. They allied themselves with the feudal white Army of General Koltschak. At some time the “Whites” controlled 70% of Russia – can you imagine it. But the people’s army the bolshevik army under Trotzky defeated the 17 foreign armies. But they paid heavily for the victory – Russia lost 13 million people.
So in 1918 Lenin wanted to stop the war and in Brest-Litowsk he negotiated with the Germans a peace treaty, a nasty treaty. And Ludendorff immediately broke the peace and invaded Ukraine marching further east to the Kaukasus for getting the oil at Baku. Then he negotiated with the Bolsheviks another peace treaty which was worse than the later Versailles treaty. It came from an impoverished nobility in the East.
He could fight battles, but he had zero idea about politics. He was a narrow-minded petty bourgeois. If he had made a decent peace with Lenin, he would have had enough divisions to secure the Western Front. The Entente armies were completely exhausted. They got some help from the USA, but even there the war was not popular.
The Entente would have agreed to Wilson’s 14 points which were similar to the peace offer that Kaiser Wilhelm had already offered after the first year of the war and then repeated several times. But the Secret Society wanted total victory. So when Ludendorff threw in the towel, the general staffs in Paris and London were totally stunned. Because Germany had no foreign armies on his soil, had still enough divisions to make an orderly retreat. Thus, Ludendorff brought about the downfall of Germany.
Jeff: Well, listen, can I ask you the next question.
The next question is, before reading your book, I was always sitting on the fence about the numbers involved and what happened in World War Two’s concentration camps, based on your extensive research and explanations, you show that the dominant Big Lie propaganda version is just that mostly fiction. Please tell us about what really happened and why and how it got so distorted into a global myth.
Einar: And I had never, never met people who against me. And later on, I went to Paris, Paris, nobody spoke German, you know, and I spoke my little French I had learned in the school.
When I arrived in Paris at the start, looking at these big, the big train station, and what will I do now?
And then came one guy I had met in the train. And he talked to me in German and told me that he couldn’t speak in the train German. Then he would have been attacked by the by the French people. So then he came out and helped me to find my first hotel, a little hotel in Paris. But I found out it was a brothel. So the next day I moved to another one.
Fifty seven, when Paris still was a very dirty, black, black, gloomy town, you know, terrible.
It was first de Gaulle who forced the people to paint their houses and to clean their houses and clean up the old city.
And he also forced the hotels and restaurants to set up price tags
So before that, they made fantasy prices.
Jeff: Yes, they may depend on who you look like or what you look like. They determine the price.
Einar: Yeah. Ok, then I think that these hate against Germans was manufactured from above.
It was not the people, the people often when they heard I was a German they told me they had been prisoners in German. And they said I had a good life in Germany and the people were so nice and I didn’t feel good with that.
I was afraid the other people, they, they would protest but nobody, nobody ever protested. I was standing on a post office, you know, and he was so.
So I guess that only in books and novels you can find all the rage and hate against the bad Germans. You can read it today, even today, to can find demeaning sentences about the Germans. And then I started where I began to collect material about where it came from who was behind it.
And I collected material and found more and more to put on my desktop. And then it was very important that I found by accident these books. I highly recommend it to you. And you are reading the first one about secret history, the hidden history. That the Kaiser was not a war mongerer. It gave me a brilliant insight.
And there you could find the real history how everything began because the Germans, they had only got there their own state in 1871 after the war against France. That was at the eighteen hundred seventy one that Napoleon III started and lost.
After the war Bismarck forced Wilhelm of Prussia to become the Kaiser of Deutschland but he didn’t want it.
And in this short time 1871 – 1891, Germany had blossomed. His industry had grown and the products of the German steel and porcelain industry were better than the English products and the lost markets. Then the English had a great idea. To put on everything this made in England, rsp made in Germany, so that the people could get the right things, but they were shooting themselves in the foot because then the people could much better find the German products.
Jeff: Oh, that’s German. That’s good.
Einar: You know, at that time Cecil Rhodes came back to England after he had half of Africa conquered for the Queen.
Well, they were conquered, from Egypt and Kenya, Rhodesia and down to South africa and then in Asia. Rhodes had been at that time, if you converted it to modern money, he was already at that time 1890 a billionaire.
Jeff: You know, he was immensely rich.
Einar: In London Cecil Rhodes met 1891with some people Mr. Stead and Brett who later became Lord Escher and a grey eminence.
Jeff: Yeah. And these guys were very important.
Einar: These guys build slowly the secret society on the Jesuit model and constantly gained new important and rich people like Natty Rothschild and the queen.
The idea of Cecil Rhodes was: We have to destroy Germany. Cetero censeo Germaniam esse delendam. We have to destroy Germany.
The society was not very big, about 50 people nut the richest yes the richest and the most important and influential financial people, the biggest newspaper tycoons papers, and big industry bosses and big bankers.
England had been Isolationist, but they had to change that. And that wasn’t easy because England was known as treacherous – as Albion deceptive and betrayal. They had to change that at least seemingly. In the Royal House there was such hatred of Germany that the Queen always referred to her daughter’s German nobleman only as the Hun.
After the Queen’s death her son George took over. He was very charming – and treacherous. But he befriended himself with all the monarchs in Europe. And he made a lot of propaganda and was drumming up the war against Germany.
Jeff: And so from 1890 they worked on that for until 1914 when they finally got the war, the war go on. It’s just yeah. It’s an amazing book, Hidden History.
I bought the book – here’s the book’s cover right here. I will read it after reading Einar’s autobiography. It’s really, really good. And thank you for putting me on to that book. And I also bought the volume two where they extended the World War II that.
Einar: Oh, that’s half you’re reading. I’m reading. I had to read it. I read only parts of the second book, but now I’m reading the complete book. Part of it is really terrible. And then. Yeah, well, you get the impression that the whole war was a farce. Oh, it’s incredible. You will see it’s incredible what happened during the war. That’s the most craziest thing I have ever heard. The Germans – it is in the first book – the Germans after one year they had won the war.
At that moment Kaiser William made a peace proposal:
“No, nobody takes over pieces of the other, no reparations. And we’ll stop the war now.”
Jeff: Yeah he hated the war, Wilhem. That’s right. He hated war. He was against war. He did everything.
Einar: I don’t know how far you got in the book, you know.
Jeff: Well, they’re not there yet. I’m at about 1999, but I’ve been through the Boer War. I’ve been through the Boer War in South Africa. I right now I’m at about nineteen ninety nine.
But let’s get before we move on to the next one, because we’re going to talk more about World War One.
I was shocked you really laid out a lot of references about the fact that the concentration camp numbers in World War II are highly inflated and two things stuck out in my mind.
Three hundred sixty thousand people died in the concentration camps. And then the other one that just blew me away was, is that you wrote about how Eisenhower hated the Germans and that they had imprisoned a million they had a million German prisoners of war. And what was it called? Something Fields’.
Einar: It were the Rhine fields and that they literally they literally starved those million soldiers or prisoners of war to death and expose them to wind and weather – No shelters, no huts, no tents – nothing. They had to dig holes in the earth with their hands. They were given the dirty Rhine water to drink. From it they got typhoid fever and all kinds of things. No treatment nothing.
If Germans came to give them a piece of bread, they were shot immediately.
Jeff: Yeah. Unbelievable.
And it seems that a million of them died and you said they actually used our twist, the concentration camp to burn the bodies. That’s a lot huh.
Einar: Every day they had died hundreds and the carcasses were put on lorries and transported to Auschwitz because there were no carcasses. On YouTube you can find those videos with the famous film director.
Jeff: And now what’s his name?
Oh, Alfred Hitchcock you said you said. Yeah, it was Alfred Hitchcock’s that filmed it. I know there were no ovens.
Einar: The first one, the first man who had the idea after a long time, I suppose it was David Irving, the historian Irving.
Jeff: Have you read it right now?
Einar: No. He was called the most famous historian about Hitler. Yes David. He then had the idea and said, you know, why, why nobody, nobody is looking after there must be lots of bones and ashes and so on. And there must be found those ovens because because of Zyanid they become green
Yeah, well, and then there was a guy from America, an American. He was no Nazi – he was just interested and he was going to Auschwitz. He was going to look and to dig. He found one oven. A relative small one and that one was for cleaning and disinfection of clothes. Such ovens exist in every single prison of the world.
Jeff: And I thought against the disease.
Einar: They stop the spread of disease, yeah and that the guy had found.
But besides, everybody has read some crime novels. If anybody kills anybody and he’s cleaning everything and drains all the traces, then he makes himself automatically the perpetrator.
All righty, then. Here he makes himself guilty.
Einar: If there is a big, big terrible crime like killing six million people.
Why were they destroying everything. Why they destroyed everything and burned it down. Why? The same after “nine eleven”.
After the two towers came down, 9/11, why they were cleaning up everything within some weeks?
Jeff: No days.
Einar: Is this normal?
You delete the traces if you are the culprit. So and then that was not the only one, there were more there, there was a Canadian, there were Germans, there were several people in Auschwitz, and they have plowed through and were digging 10 times or more, you know, and didn’t find nothing.
Einar: And at first they said every concentration camp was burning Jews everywhere, but afterwards they had to admit that within the Reich there was no oven found. Then they ‘transferred’ all the six million dead Jews to Auschwitz.
But nowadays they had several times to revise this figure and it went down from six to four to three to one.
Now, at Auschwitz, there is a sign here, the one million. But all the MSM are printing still everywhere six million – and even one million is a lie.
That’s why you can find millions and millions surviving Jews.
It is a Jewish newspaper which wrote that under the reign of Hitler, there were four million, four point two million Jews.
And there is one sentence I wrote already at the beginning of the book, you’ll remember, that an elderly man still sitting in prison he had the idea to visit the center in Düsseldorf where all those surviving Jews who had been forced laborers received their compensation. He got the figure 4 million. He was sentenced to several years in prison. He asked the judge whether the figure is not correct. The answer was: Yes, it is correct. And all the rest he had written. Yes, is correct. Then why am I imprisoned. Because it’s the law.
Einar: This story came up in Moscow by a Russian journalist and writer about the gassing of jews in Auschwitz. He had never been in Auschwitz. He had no evidence in hand. He just fantasized about it and first later on, he had visited Auschwitz long time after the war.
It is a strange fact that all people who studied the fate of the Jews came all to more or less the same number, about nearly the same number as the Red Cross from Sweden, the three thousand three hundred sixty thousand.
Well, and I thought that’s also a big crime – they were maltreated became ill.
But the Jews did not like that figure is not a holocaust.
Einar: Now many people might be happy, that Germany is freed of the Holocaust-crime. Oh no. I’m not saying that. On the contrary – the Germans have a real and much greater Holocaust on their conscience.
The Germans left 28 million dead Russians behind. And that is an ironclad fact, not a fantasy. It’s nearly almost a six fold holocaust. And because of this fact I’m deeply ashamed. And much more ashamed that today many, but far from all insult and denigrate and demonize the Russians and would like to march off once again, but then they will get the very last beating. And the Chinese people are saying now that they also lost nearly people in WWII.
Jeff: Yeah, I always say the Russians lost about twenty five million and China has said, I don’t know, the official number is 28 million. But just to keep it to keep the math simple, I say twenty five million Russians.
Twenty five million Chinese, that’s 50 million. And the allies, the allies lost a million. So the allies lost, lost, lost twenty two hundred thousand two hundred thirty thousand. You know, all the allies, including civilians and soldiers and everything. So the West, the West, the allies lost two percent of what the Chinese and the Russians lost. Yeah.
Yeah. So. Well, thank you for that. Anyway, you know, of course, now, you know, it’s the obviously the propaganda machine has won because you can’t even you can’t even deny the Holocaust in France or you go to jail. So they really got it. They really got it sewed up. You can’t you can’t you can’t even talk about it.
Even in in USA, you can talk about it. You can have written the book.
Einar: But they then send you over to Canada and the Canadians, they deliver them back to Germany so they can imprison them.
Jeff: Well, that’s propaganda. It’s just unbelievable. Let me ask you another question, and it’s another controversial one. Here is another commonly accepted story, Cambodia’s Pol Pot exterminated millions, Comrade Andreyev, let’s check, may he rest in peace.
Unfortunately, he passed away recently, took a lot of heat for saying it was a myth, having traveled around Cambodia and interviewing many citizens. I, too, traveled there, went to what we’re called the, quote, killing field locations and the logo for USAID. A CIA front was ubiquitous for financing all of the evidence. You also wrote about Jan Myrdal. Can you respond about the Times and geopolitical player surrounding Pol Pot of that?
Einar: Yeah, you know, I have written several books on Indonesia, the terrible crime of the Suharto regime who was installed by the CIA and the MI5 to power and Sukarno was imprisoned, deposed at that time.
I had plenty of Indonesian friends and we discussed extensively Pol Pot after he won the war against the American stooge. They won the war and they started with that kind of socialism and started to make a socialist society. And we had discussed a lot with our friends. Mostly they were intellectuals. And I had read a lot about that.
They knew even people who had went to Cambodia. Then at that time, at the beginning, they started also hate campaigns against Pol Pot. It started at the beginning.
And then we came to the result that it was because it was so successful, you know, and the Americans had all this theory of dominance, the domino theory that one outpolls them, the other also.
And it was a big example that Pol Pot delivered. Later on Jan Myrdal travelled again together with 5 other journalists from different newspapers down to Cambodia.
They could look at what they wanted. They had not to follow a plan.
And so they came back with papers and everybody had his own vision. But in total it was positive. It was they had not seen what we were told that on the fields the peasants are working under the threat of a machine gun. There are military on the side of the fields with machine guns.
They had never seen that. They had barely seen a soldier on the roads in the towns, and they could do a lot of discussions with people.
Jan Myrdal knew very well Pol Pot and the Jeng Sary and several others of the Politburo. And they had a little different theories. Their socialism’s more liked Thomas Münzer – the great opponent of Martin Luther. Martin Luther was the friend of kings, but Thomas Münzer was the friend of the people, the peasants.
Jeff: All right.
Einar: You know, you can often read that the Germans are so submissive to the government and so on, and Friedrich Engels – the close friend to Marx, said once that this terrible revenge that the feudals took against the peasants went into the genes of the people of Germany. They killed brutally tens of thousands and thousands, you know, while the peasants had killed some very evil feudals. Like in the French Revolution some 2000 thousands, but afterwards about 30000 were killed by the feudals.
Jeff: Absolutely. So you’re saying that out of all these other journalists that went to Cambodia when Pol Pot was in power, like André Vltchek and Xi’an Shaanxi that there was no holocaust.
Einar: I have another friend also who has written a wonderful book, Flowers in Galilea. You should read this wonderful book of Israel Shamir.
He was also in Cambodia and says the same as all the others. Oh, I forgot my friend Prof. Caldwell from the London School of Economic Studies who went to Kambodia who decided to go down to Cambodia and write a book and to study thoroughly whole thing. He went there and when he came down and three days later, he was murdered by a gang of Vietnamese.
Jeff: So they were anxious that somebody would find out.
Well, when I was there, when I would go to these killing field locations with the skulls and the bones that it doesn’t exist anymore. Well, but we were only there just a couple of years, two or three years ago. But there was there was the USAID logo on all the signs.
So it was the USAID that was financially backing all this supposed evidence. That’s like the USAID is the CIA. So I immediately said to myself, well, how can I believe this? When us when the USAID and which is backed by the CIA, which is basically a CIA front, is paying for all this?
How, how, how, how can it be credible? So that’s when I decided that, you know, that Andre was Andre Belichick, obviously, you know, knew what he was talking about. And now you’ve had a whole chapter on this and John McDonnell and I said also that it was deleting the Americans by deleting their own crime.
They had had bombed while they one in ten years. They bombed it more than Germany and home and joining the Delta and all those millions that are killed, then you kind of could find a lot of skulls. And we also we also went to law since and went to the museum there where they all the 80 all the bomblets and all these bombs and they can’t farm half the country because the United States bombs dropped hundreds of millions of bomblets like little mines, actually. And the people step on and they get their legs blown off and killed.
Einar: Yeah. To deflect the crime on to somebody else.
Jeff: All right. Well, I already asked you about Ryan Meadow’s and Eisenhauer and The Alfred Hitchcock film in all the German PWI is being starved or I guess burned, burned.
Einar: I think that they couldn’t deny that they were not there. They were buried.
Jeff: They were buried, OK. That’s all you need to do. Burning a person you know needs a lot of energy. Not easy to burn. So Alfred Hitchcock, film that at Auschwitz. And now next, you wrote about a book you read by James Bacque. What did he report? And do you recommend it seemed you have mixed feelings about all that Bacque said?
Einar: No, no, he didn’t. I think the book was ok. He wrote about this one million soldiers, who were prisoners. He wrote sober and dry but convincing.
Jeff: But, you know, Eisenhower, what this I forgot a point. You couldn’t treat prisoners like he did. So he changed the name. So they were no longer prisoners and you could do with them what you wanted. They were now their special name.
Einar: Yes I forgot too. So they also Eisenhower changed the definition of who they were.
Jeff: So he wouldn’t I otherwise it had been against the Geneva Convention Conventions and back.
Einar: He had too much information, but he that he made clear and that I read and later on also that he was saying he hated the Germans, he was a real racist.
He Eisenhower wrote to his wife: “You can’t imagine how I’m hating the Germans.”
Jeff: And yeah. Unbelievable. Have you got the energy to go on for a couple, three more question. Are you ready? You ready to go for it?
Jeff: You wrote that the allies plundered and pillaged 10 billion US dollars in German patterns. And Haiti and West Germany was paying World War One reparations to the US and France until 2010. Did I get that right? Also that I read right that there never was a peace treaty with Germany.
Einar: Right. Germany has no peace treaty and Korea hasn’t. Well, yeah, I know about Japan hasn’t. The only one was Italy. Italy is the only country that got a peace treaty.
Jeff: While but was West was West Germany really paying reparations for was it for World War One or World War two?
Jeff: The Americans had small groups of people, specialists of two or three people who went in and every industry and every enterprise. And let’s talk about this in there.
Einar: This I learned of Adenauer. That’s not in the book of McGregor, I learned it from a newspaper and Konrad Adenauer that the Americans took away documents that filled a whole train, hundreds of thousands of papers and patents and everything else what they wanted – they stole paintings and gold and clocks whatever they could find, they stole everything.
Jeff: That’s the bottom there.
Einar: And you know, Adenauer, he was he was a big friend of America, you know, he was a very, very pro west. But nevertheless, he several times said that you have to take all the patents and they were worth at least 20 billions of dollars. So that should be enough fodder for reparations.
But that they didn’t listen to him, but they never counted. These 20 billion is was extant and what they paid up to Yunnan very, very recently.
Jeff: How you say if you have a big sum to pay, then you pay in the trenches. Oh, and troubleshooters for large tranches. Well, some years ago OK, but was that for World War One or World War?
Einar: World War I and recently the rest for WWII. You know, then they say that the Russians have plundered Germans in the East. And that’s untrue. It was a sum I don’t remember, about 200, 250 billions. You know, I know it’s much less than the money for America I know.
Jeff: Unreal. All right, I’ve got to watch it. I want to ask you about Africa, because you lived and worked in Tanzania, where I’ve also journeyed.
Einar: Have you seen a lot and what?
Jeff: No. I just went I just went for a for a business trip and but I just spent a few days there, but that was back when the area was the was the president would have been nineteen eighty three about but and you had, you had a you had a great quote by Fela Kuti, his mother, which was shocked me concerning the US genocide in Hiroshima.
Einar: And Fela Kuti is a great musican in Nigeria.
Jeff: Yeah. She had a great quote from her book.
Einar: Fela’s mother ran to the governor of Nigeria directly after Hiroshima and shouted at him: “You did it because they are colored.”
Jeff: But just tell us what Africa, its peoples and civilizations mean to you since you lived there for two or three years.
Einar: Yes, I can say I read a lot about Africa when I was a little boy. I fetched my books from my grandfather. He had a nice library and really good books and my father a librar with fascist literature. I didn’t like it already at that time.
So I fetched books about Africa, from my grandfather. And at that time I was about fifteen, sixteen years and I thought I have to go to Africa. I that was you know, I had.
And then suddenly in Frankfurt when during that time, the revolution, the student revolution, I met some guys who were exiled from France, German students and one guy, Frank. He was a film maker.
And suddenly one day we saw by accident with friends a TV film about the festivities in Mosambik after the victory against Portugal. And there was a big, big party here, the biggest stadium, and it was full of people then and everybody was laughing and clapping and so fantastic that I said to my woman, that we must go to Mozambique.
And I approached the embassy in Bonn and from Mozambique and I didn’t get an answer. And I wrote again and again three times. And nothing nobody seemed to know the answer that I thought that that was strange. Then I met a woman in a cinema and I and it came out that she was from Mozambique and she said, nah, you are going the wrong way. You have to go to Tanzania. There you go in the restaurant, you’re going to the Mozambique and the embassy and there you’ll get a visa. OK, I went to my friend in the in the radio station and I said, do I what can we do about Tanzania? I mean, I kept her. Oh, I’m writing about agriculture in Tanzania. Oh yes. OK, yeah. OK, so I get the money to make the journey, you know.
And I came down, went straight to the Ministry of Agriculture. Because I read in the newspapers that when I came down there, I read that the next day there will be a start, a big assembly of all the all the ministers of agriculture of the whole of Africa.
But I had not read that in Germany. No newspaper had those news. If 20 ministers of Africa countries meet it’s o news in Germany or Europe. Those damned racists.
Well, I went straight to the Ministry of Agriculture and met two young women and told them that I had to go to Arusha.
Oh, and they found that was a very good idea. And they gave me a paper that I’m a journalist, the press pass, a press pass. And at the end these very nice ladies were asking me how long I had been already here in Tansania.
“I just arrived.” I said, but they couldn’t believe it. They said,
because I’m speaking like an African man or woman and exactly as I’m speaking with you.
But, you know, most white people, they are strange. They are speaking differently, not normal and they don’t feel good, you know, especially if they are higher ups.
So I went to Arusha by train. It has big hotels for conferences and big events in Africa, they are they all going to Arusha because it’s just a nice town.
And you are looking up the Kilimanjaro. Impressive. I was happy to stay in the hotel where Hemingway wrote his ‘Snow on the Kilimanjaro’. Then I could follow with the delegates to visit some Ujamaa villages. They were called Jamaa – that’s the word for socialist om Tanzania. One village produced mostly coffee another mostly cows.
At home I talked with my wife and we decided to go to Tansania instead of Mosambik. Because I got no answer on my letters – strangely.
Even our daughter agreed and thought it was a great idea to make a journey to Tansania and stay for two years. I got two contracts with two publishers – ‘Women in Tansania‘ and the other one more general on history, economy, politics and so on.
So I decided not to race from one place to the next and from one town to the next. I wanted to see the different places and people in the country. So we stayed for three months in Sansibar island then in Mbeja near Rhodesia then at the western shore of lake Victoria and so on.
Everywhere we learned to know wonderful people, which we a close contact with to discuss with about life in the village schools politics and so on. We all had learned Kisuaheli to better communicate with the people. In small villages had never been a white person, you know. We were living in mud houses as everybody without air condition. These houses were better than the houses of stone and concrete.
We had no car so we travelled by bus, train or boat and we had only our things we could bear. All the places we hired had no furniture no kitchen no oven or refrigerator as we know it.
And then we had no we had no car. We almost traveled by bus or boat or shaped so and we had only our things, only things we could carry with our hands. Everywhere we first had to buy the basics – a table, some seats, some pots and a pan. Some things we did deliberatly not buy.
So my wife and daughter could go to the neighbors begging to borrow one or the other. People loved it. They were so nice and explained always what and how to do. How to help yourself if there was no sugar or no oil or no soap in the shops.
No soap? No problem. You had to look for the soap tree and the berries or no oil and butter. You fetch or buy some coconuts you cut it in half, grate it, put the mass in warm water, squeeze it, twice, and then you have the coconut milk, put it in a bottle and put it in the sun. After 24 hours, all the fiber will have sunk to the bottom and 3/4 will be clear glorious coconut oil.
Our first stay was Zanzibar. There we could rent the former Sultans summer place in Chwaka at the opposite side of the island. A beautiful place. Our daughter could go to school and took the kisuaheli and math classes. She befriended herself with the woman teacher and the Kisuaheli language she learned Kiswahili mostly auditorily. Later on mainland she was envied by the people for her beautiful classical kisuaheli.
The reason, that we loved Zanzibar more than any other place, were the proud zanzibari. They are the only people in the only country that liberated itself without any outside help. It was a former slave from Uganda who organized some hundred or two hundred people who had two or three pistols an old carabiner and the rest had pangas (it’s an allround instrument – you can mow the grass, you can clear out the undergrowth in the forest and you can chop heads).
When they started their socialist revolution they had within hours overwhelmed the police and the small ‘army’, got most of the very rich feudal owners of cloves plantations and killed them, but the Sultan had escaped. He jumped into his yacht and disappeared. The political leader of the rebellion discussed with Nyerere a union which very became a reality.
The only union of many more that still exists. And therefore the Zanzibari are so proud and self-conscious, very straight and helpful. For example – every day all of the fisher people went out with their dug out boats – some of them had motors. Willingly they let me come along. We were about 6 or 7 people on the boat. We went out into the immense laguna where they spread their net. When I wanted to jump in the water they cried: “No, no. You stay here.”
– “Why?” – “It’s dangerous.” – “And not for you?” And I jumped in the water. Two or three people took the end of the net walked around in a big circle and back to the boat. They also came back into the boat and we all pulled in the net. We had made a good catch with many different fish, including the poisonous globe fish.
And then I understood why I should not jump into the water. 2 people had stepped on sea urchins and were treated by 2 comrades. It is very difficult to get out the barbed spines. The helpers bit on the spots over and over until they softened and then they used a knife to poke out the hooks. And there I noticed again that Africans could bear great pain with the most indifferent expression in the world.
But that was not all. They gave me also a fish when they distributed the fish. I didn’t want to rob them but they forced it on me. I fetched wood and my wife bereitete den Fisch mit frischer ‘Kokosmilch‘ zu.
When we started to eat, I jumped up because both legs were itching terrible. A little pause and I jumped again. Well my wifes could not hold back their laughter. And then came one of the guys from the boat with a quite innocent face and asked how it went and I hopped and he laughed. Well he explained that i touched some nettle-plants. The legs had from the hip down to the feet red dots with a small bubble. Wir lernen, dass man solche Blasen nicht aufkratzen darf. But he said I had to take a coarse brush, brush the legs heavily and then rub with a normal cream. It then disappeared after 1-2 hours. Natürlich hatte er Recht.
Another time my wife had auctioned some nice fish filets and prepared them normally with cocooil. The next day came a friend on his Vespa, sat down, got a cup of coffe and asked what we had eaten the day before. Linda knew still the kisuaheli name of the fish – and our friend was nealy choked. “What did you ate?” I repeated the name. “Don’t you know, what it is?” I shrugged.
“It’s globefish. In his village the fishermen threw them right back into the sea. And we said it was the best fish we ever had eaten. You can’t imagine.
But we dared no more trials. With one fish you can poisen a whole restaurant with 100 people. Therefore in Japanese restaurants must be present 2-3 cooks when the fish are gutted. The innards contain the deadly poison.
And that and so we have in 10 different provinces of Zanzibar than in and now we have at least ten in the north. The board of the Kenya in the south at the border, Leandy, the board of Mozambique, then at the border to Rhodesia Bay in the north border, Uganda and across, then back crossed over the ocean Victoria sees it’s know took it took 15 hours to come over the lake. And besides, it’s the Munza.
Yeah. And then we have been in the north. And then it was this place, a little different mountain, not too high a degree of very agreeable climate, you know, to the Germans that they liked the place up there. It’s not too hot. And so we learned a lot about the whole lot.
Jeff: Wow. Amazing. I’ve got one more question for you.
In your book, you talked about the Chinese ethics. That Chinese ethics are the base for governing in China. What did you mean with that and what means that to you? What is the reason for governance in the West?
Einar: In the West we all are living in Christian countries, societies one religion is the basis of the raison d’ État and that is Christianity. All our history is from the beginning a lie. In school we are told endless lies. In the constitutions they pinned down some mic phrases but the reality is different. A heathen like myself can’t even get a volontariat in a socialist newspaper. Likewise in the Arab world – only people with “a book” – Christians, Jews and Arabs – are real people – the rest are no real people. The Christians don’t know Ethics, they have million moralities.
Morality is a beautiful thing that you can twist and turn however you want. And even more beautiful are the priests who have recipes for every violation of morality.
China is different. It has ethics as a raison d’état that is incontrovertible. Ethics are universal, is the law, as Kant already knew in our country. But in the Christian Occident, he quickly had to back out.
The Chinese have since two thousand years Confucius, Lao tse and Buddhism. Buddhism is of little importance. Of great importance is the philosophy of Confucius and that’s pointed out also by Xi Jinping.
Isn’t it strange that the Chinese the last 1000 years didn’t went to war but the Americans are warring nonstop? They were several times attacked by Mongol people which they fought back or even were conquered. But the mass of the chinese people integrated them into their society.
They have through thousands of years been the biggest economy with the most advanced technology, from which the West copied as much as it could. Marco Polo is considered a great man by us, but a great thief in China. And China which has been treated very step motherly by nature because it has only minimal arable land available and yet has always been able to feed its population more or less healthily.
Without wars, conquests, extortion, oppression, theft, manslaughter and rape? I know if people in the west read this they forget it within seconds. They come with ‘But this’ and ‘But that’ and ‘more Buts’ and all the buts are only bullshit. If the western people and especially the German people can’t manage to free themselves from religious shackles they will never find an ethical point of view.
Einar: Yes. And we all you and me and we all lived in countries where the base of the government is the Christianity.
Well, it’s a heavily one western state from the U.S. to Germany, France, Ireland, Italy are based on Christianity and what happened to, you know, when they were warring all the time was in the school.
We were learn the story of the greatest warriors in history called the Great. They are always great. The more they had worried, the more they were great, the greater the Napoleon the great and so on.
The strangely that Chinese nearly 2000 thousand years, definitely the last thousand years, they didn’t went to war and nobody they had to defend themselves several times against the moguls, but they didn’t went to war by themselves and. Nevertheless, think about this big country that has very little agroland to go to feed its people. It’s about 20 percent of the country.
Jeff: Well, no, no, now it’s only nine percent, maybe it was 20 percent a thousand years ago, but now it’s only nine percent cultivatable land for 20 percent of the World’s people. Yeah, it’s incredible.
Einar: I yeah.
Nevertheless, they could nurture all their people without any adventures, bars and aggressions and stealing land from others and oppressing other peoples.
They managed to keep their people alive and with healthy and big, and then there I had the idea that must be the difference must be that they had no religion.
There is the Buddhism and has much influenced the most influential personality is Confucius he put out there is as basic as a base of the state and just tell the Navy you asked me the ethics governed by ethics and ethics is universal.
It’s not the Christians, they have morals and every Christian religion has his own morals.
You know, every village in Christian countries, even here in Sweden here, clever storm of north from now, they nowadays it’s gone before. Not long before I came here, they were always quarreling each other, you know, because they are based on morals, because everybody has his own morals, different morals, you know, but the ethics.
You can’t pull and twist and change, and so, no, that’s a law and universal law. And people have to follow this law, and I guess that was the reason that they managed to live peaceful for thousands of years and had big industries, they had so big industries that lost nearly.
If you look at that of copies off of the machines, they had that most talent. That was immense. Look, it looks like the modern industries in early England, Germany and so on. And they had thousands of years. They were the biggest economy. And they were they were trading they had a fleet may be paint chips. They were much, much bigger than the all the ships you could find in the rest of west.
Jeff: Yeah, that’s true. That’s true.
Einar: And you know that the big jungkook. Yeah. He went to Africa and what he did he traded as if he what he looked, he was interested and look what happens there. What the flowers and they took samples and so on and they went back and impious, you know, it’s fantastic.
Huh, very different than the West is a very big business, and that’s the same thing the Chinese are doing today. Now they are coming with their big ships because they’re big trains and lorries and trains are trading
Jeff: Now with the belt and road initiative and reconnecting the Silk Roads and like they did for two thousand years ago.
Einar: Yeah, it’s a very impressive and it must and I guess that is the most important thing. And I thought at the end, I don’t know if I wrote it in the book and I wrote it.
And I guess in another in a piece of that the in Germany there is one philosopher who also tried to establish ethics that was kind.
He was Emanuel Kant he wrote about do not tend to initiate.
Jeff: What you don’t want that do unto others as you wish they would do to you as exactly as the golden rule, that’s just Confucianism is the golden rule. Don’t do anything that you don’t want done to you.
Einar: Yeah, but they didn’t know of each other. Kant had this rule and that he had seen that the people who read his books and so but there was no engagement and no real to take over this role, you know, they had their morals, their Christian morals and they didn’t want and then they can’t he threw back his feelings.
And it’s so Germany had the chance to also establish such an ethic, the basic rule and maybe history had taken another direction.
Jeff: I’m going to have to move because now I’ve got the sun coming in on me. Well, before we go, this has just been incredibly fascinating on our can you just tell us, what are you doing now? And what are your current projects to bring down Western Empire? And promote socialism.
Einar: Here in my little village, I made some proposals to the Chinese by and some of those guys I know the Professor Asnar who has written this book, I have to look, I think his second book has come out and he is working on the third book and the.
He was very glad to read this proposal and two proposal from which one proposal regarding the libraries. But did you know that?
Did you know that I was thinking about. I’m so old, so I have to prepare myself for the day of no return, you know?
But, you know, then I had discussions with the director of the library in our capital here and our chrono bag , it’s called and she was the director of the office and library for the town.
You know, the municipal library was seen as a Buddhist temple library. But there my library is not it’s all languages, you know, French and English and Spanish and Italian.
So that’s not that’s for municipal library, not for the university. And she spoke with some people in the room. And they came one day and looked at my books and they were, you know, all this all around her books. You can see, you know.
Jeff: Oh, yeah, I saw behind you, you’ve got all this.
And then they were looking and they were impressed and said, OK, now let’s start. I said, look, let’s start. Yeah, we take no, that’s misunderstand.
When I am gone, then you can’t keep that at max two to five percent of the books they take. And they are so many libraries. They are that are not donated. They can’t use it.
And what you know what is done. They fire. Yeah, they burn them now. Hey, want you know, so we need we don’t need Hitler to burn the books. We have to have them now. The killing and the big heaps of yellow pyres of bonfires,
Jeff: We call them bonfires where you pile up a bunch of stuff and burn it all at once, bonfires out now.
Einar: Yeah, but that’s not the bonfire. It’s not enough that they are going to really keep America. This is like the incinerator.
And I it’s a big concern also. And, you know, this center town for this. And I come back, it’s they have a big incendiary and for all the electricity is coming from the area to burn off heat energy.
So and that idea that all those folks are going to the over and above done it was I don’t know. I see it so bad about it and that well I made a proposal for the Chinese, I didn’t. I just. I sent it to you.
Jeff: Yeah. You sent me about trying to get these books sent to China and spread them.
Einar: Because at Xi Jinping has a big plans about Africa and he’s helping Africa in every way. Even in Alibaba, you know, he spent one billion euros. Next year and so on and so on, so it would be nice if I could distribute all the 20 million books, distribute them on Africa, because Africa is developing very fast, as you know, and with all the railways and highways and universities and all that, it’s fantastic and it’s really fantastic.
Jeff: Oh, yeah. I know this has been an amazing afternoon for me, and I know it’s going to be an amazing afternoon for everybody that listens to this. And I’m going to get it transcribed into text, into like a word document, and if you’re up to it, I’ll send you the word document and let you correct proper names and stuff first.
So I’d like to know what I’d actually like to do is also not only have the audio and the visual, but also have the text program that yeah.
Einar: Do you have to pay for it?
Jeff: Yes I have to pay for it. It is called SoniX and they use artificial intelligence to transcribe registered things into text.
Einar: And I see.
Jeff: So that it’s so I’ll send this to them and, and then I’ll send it back to you as a word file. And then if you can go through, if you’ll take the time, if you’ll take the time, I’d love to also have it in text for you and for everybody out there across the planet Earth.
Einar: All right.
Jeff: All right, well, this has been an amazing two and a half hours that we’ve been in for an eighty three year old going on eighty four. You’ve got a lot of stamina.
Einar: And you are?
Jeff: And I’m sixty six eighteen year, 18 years difference guide
Einar: In this age even five years out a big difference.
Jeff: We were friends before this interview and we’ll continue to be friends afterwards. And you and I keep talking about trying to get together. You’re in Sweden and I’m in France and I don’t know if it’ll ever happen with the plan Dimmick, but I would love to meet you.
Einar: We managed to meet each other.
Jeff: I hope so.
Einar: It would be a pleasure to meet you.
Jeff: Likewise. But we’ll still continue to stay in touch by email. And so anyway, thank you. Thank you very much.
Einar: I thank you.
Jeff: Thank you very much for your incredible story and your storytelling and everything. Your life is just amazing and you’re very courageous. You’ve obviously learned a lot. And that goes against the Big Lie propaganda machine. And I really appreciate you and everything that you’ve done in your life. And I’ll get this out and let you know about it so you can share it with your friends. But in your story, I think I’m seeing that to OK, I got to go. I’m working on this. All right.
Einar: Yeah, let’s finish it and stop this. But I want to tell you something afterwards.
Jeff: Ok, well, I’ll go ahead and shut this down. Hang on. Well, I can’t stop it. So you just want and then I’ll just add at the end I got I can write it down.
Einar: I was two days ago on Monday. I was sitting here in an interview three hours earlier.
Jeff: You said with some Germans, with two cameras,
Einar: With two cameras and there and the day before the whole day, he was filming the whole day, not the man who made the interview, but here the guy, the cameraman, he was following me the whole day, promenade down to the lake. And he was filming everything, you know, so. And he is what I didn’t know. I thought it was women. I know virtual. It’s a virtual friendship. And I couldn’t imagine how she managed to say he wrote me to this guy, Kai. So you must contact owner. And he did. And we had a nice dialog on the phone. And then he came for two and a half days. We had so many fantastic and dialogs and it was really fantastic. And that’s that. You will see that later on. He is he is a great guy. I didn’t know I had never heard before, but he had made many, many videos and films and. And a big project. OK, yeah.
Jeff: Bye-Bye Einar, I’ll let you know when this is done and I’ll send you the text and hopefully you will clean it up for me if you’ll do that.
Einar: All right. It’s best, I think, really to take Skype. It’s so nice to see you and to speak with you. Yeah. It’s like you are sitting on the other side of the table. OK.
Jeff: All right. Bye-Bye Einar.
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