Why the West is so Sino-screwed: did you know that the West lags behind China an average of 1,238 years in inventions, innovation and discoveries, going back millennia – AND ongoing?

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China Tech: Invention, Innovation, Technology, Research and Development – Past, Present, Future – 5,000 Years of Progress. A China Rising Radio Sinoland Living Document. By: Jeff J. Brown

This is Jeff J. Brown, China Rising Radio Sinoland, founder of Seek Truth from Facts Foundation and the China Writers Group. This is an extremely important post because I just got back from China. I spent a month in May, a month in October, and a month now in May, a year later. I also lived and worked there for 16 years. This last time I came back, I was just blown away. I have a very generous benefactor who has supported me for over three years, thank God. He sent me his usual monthly contribution, and I sent him a voicemail saying, “You and your wife have got to get over to China and see what’s going on over there. It’s indescribable. How do I even put into words what is going on in that country?” We can go back to 1949. The Chinese people have been in progress, development, discovery, innovation, invention, infrastructure, and more since 1949. Yet, it has actually been going on for thousands of years.

The reason you don’t know this is that it’s a very peculiar event in history. I would like to thank Doctor John Hobson, whom I’ve interviewed two or three times. He’s brilliant, and I love his books. (www.chinarising.puntopress.com/search/?q=Hobson) He’s the one who explained to me that up until the 1680s, and for thousands of years before, the Chinese had all this technology, innovation, invention, math—everything. The West, you could say, borrowed, adopted, or even stole these advancements; you can use whatever verb you want. It was all coming from China. Up until that time, there was nothing but good things to say about the Chinese, especially in the 1500s, 1600s when the Portuguese arrived in Hong Kong and started the long, horrible colonialism that eventually consumed China from 1839 to 1949 with the Opium Wars. But up until the 1680s, China was looked upon positively in Europe.

And, of course, this is even before America, before the United States even existed. But what happened in the 1680s is that the printing press came out in 1445 in Europe. Of course, it was stolen from the Chinese, who actually had the movable type printing press already going full gear in the 1100s, 335 years before. As you go through the information, I’m sharing with you today and the table below, you’ll see that everything has been stolen and copied from China. And it’s still going on today. That’s what’s so frightening for the West to consider. But in the 1680s, there was the Enlightenment and the Renaissance, and people gained the ability, especially with the printing press coming out in Europe in 1445 by Gutenberg. There was a filtration down in the social class of people who could read and write, not to mention all the people who were coming and going back and forth because of English, French, Dutch, Spanish, and Portuguese colonialism.

People were coming back from the Americas, Africa, and Asia with horrific stories of massacres, executions, slavery, and slaughter by Europeans in these lands. The Europeans, being good Protestant and Catholic Christians, were really starting to feel very uneasy about the imperial colonial project. A lot of people were questioning it. The savants of Europe, the bankers, the leaders, the royalty, the monarchies, the bourgeois, the elites—over a number of years, a consensus arrived that Europe needed to counteract all this unease about colonialism and imperialism. They decided that they needed to demonize China. So, in the 1680s, China went from being the darling of Europe.

I mean, Europe was full of Chinese—everything, you name it in terms of tea; from tea to clocks, furniture, scientific machines, and agricultural equipment; and I mean, it just clothing, paintings, silk, inventions—everything that they were using. And so, they decided, they said, “Okay, China no longer really kind of exists anymore.” They just shut out China. And Europe began to say that sui generis from themselves, the Europeans began to propagandize and claim that all this technology that they had did not come from China but came from themselves. They invented it. The Europeans invented it. Nobody before us ever invented any of all of this incredible technology that we have.

It’s all thanks to our genius and our racial superiority. And so that’s what happened. That’s why you don’t know any of this. And who else did they decide to demonize at the same time? Muslims. They’re an easy target because they’re against opposing supposedly Christianity. And that was, of course, at a time when the Ottoman Empire was not very far away. And Turkey, Constantinople, and over much of North Africa and the Middle East. So, they demonized starting in the 1680s, they started to demonize the Chinese. Well, they basically didn’t demonize the Chinese. They just pretended they didn’t even exist anymore. But then they turned around and started demonizing Muslims.

And so, the best way to rally a group of people is to find a common enemy. And they found a common enemy in those dirty Muslims. In China, who? China? Where? What? So that’s what happened. But you need to know that. And I just printed out my list and you can do the same. In fact, it’s even printed out so that you can make it into a nice A3 poster. But I got this information from a book by Robert Temple, which is called The Genius of China.(https://archive.org/details/geniusofchina00robe_0) What’s fascinating about the book is that it was actually commissioned by Queen Elizabeth in 1997 with the handover of Hong Kong back to China, and she commissioned it as a way to honor what the Chinese had done for Britain up to that time. So that was pretty amazing. It’s a cool little book.

I highly recommend you, in fact, you can get it in PDF now online. I mean, it’s just everywhere. It’s much, much nicer. And in print, you can get it for practically the cost of shipping because they made so many copies. Because the print book, is only maybe a couple of hundred pages long, but it’s got lots of photos, and it’s just nice to hold and look at the pictures and everything and see all the technology. His book by Robert Temple, The Genius of China, is based on the research of Doctor Joseph Needham, who was the greatest, we can say, Western sinologist probably ever from the beginning of time, but at least in the 20th century. And of course, he went to China back in the 1930s and started noticing all of this stuff about Chinese technology (https://chinarising.puntopress.com/search/?q=Needham).

He created a research center which is still going strong today, long after he died (https://www.nri.org.uk/). And he ended up with many volumes and they’re still adding to it. This is actually dated from 2018. At that time, they had 22 million words of information from China to show Chinese technology going back thousands of years. And it’s really fast. And he actually has a, I think it’s five volumes. I have it up in the attic. I just don’t have room to show it right now. But they actually condensed the hundreds of volumes or thousands and thousands of pages into five volumes (download them all for free: https://archive.org/details/science-and-civilisation-in-china-volume-5-chemistry-and-chemical-technology-par_20210927_1445/Science%20and%20Civilisation%20in%20China%2C%20%20Volume%205%20Chemistry%20and%20Chemical%20Technology%2C%20Part%204%2C%20Spagyrical%20Discovery%20and%20Invention%20Apparatus%2C%20Theories%20and%20Gifts%20by%20Joseph%20Needham%2C%20Ho%20Ping-Y%C3%BC%2C%20Lu%20Gwei-Djen%2C%20Na%20%28z-lib.org/). And so now Robert Temple’s book is kind of a condensation of that down to a couple of hundred, maybe a hundred inventions, but I just want to go through a few of the things just for you to appreciate how advanced China has been going back thousands of years.

Row cultivation of crops and intensive hoeing. Oh, putting crops in rows. Who would have thought of that? Well, the Chinese thought of it in 600 BC. The darn Europeans didn’t even figure it out until 1600 A.D., 2200 years later. The fully modern curved moldboard plow, which you just take for granted. But again, the Chinese had that in 300 B.C., and it was Jethro Tull in 1600 who in England was going around trying to get the farmers in England to start planting. He obviously got this from the Chinese because of the Silk Roads. And the plow came with the Silk Roads from China. But he was trying to get people to adopt it. And they finally did in 1600. Multi-Tube Modern seed drill. You know, the thing where you put the seeds in the deal and the thing goes along and puts a seed in the ground and covers it up every so many centimeters. It’s not modern. The Chinese had it in 200 BC.

And the Europeans didn’t figure it out. Well, they obviously stole it from the Chinese in 1600. That’s 1800 years later. Now, you know why in 200 A.D., at the height of the Roman Empire, its greatest expansion, its greatest population China had six times as much land and nine times as many people as the greatest supposed Empire of the world. China has six times as much land and nine times as many people. That’s because they had all of these incredible agricultural and other technological advancements. Astronomy and cartography, recognition of solar sunspots as a solar phenomenon. A scientist, Chinese scientist named Kang Te, discovered them in 400 BC. The West got it in 1600, 2000 years later. Discovery of Jupiter’s moons: Galileo, get out of here! It was Gan Dei. He discovered Jupiter’s moons in 400 BC.

And Galileo claims he discovered it in 1700 AD. Okay, that’s 2100 years. And for Sky catalogs, the great Greek sky catalogs that we inherited. The Chinese actually had those in 400 BC. The Greeks got close to 200 B.C., only 200 years later. Raised relief maps, a Chinese cartographer by the name of Ma Yuan created raised relief maps in 100 A.D. They didn’t get used in Europe until 1400 A.D. That’s 1300 years later. Quantitative cartography by Chung Hong: He developed quantitative cartography in 200 AD. The Europeans didn’t get around to it until 1500, 1300 years later. The discovery of solar wind: The Chinese actually discovered solar wind in 680 A.D., and the West did not get around to it until the year 2000, only 1400 years later. Mercator: The Mercator maps. Are you kidding? They’re not Mercator.

They’re Chinese. They developed Mercator maps in 1000 A.D., and Mercator got around to doing it 600 years later, in 1600. Mounted equatorial astronomical instruments were stolen. I was nice here and said copied. But he obviously got the idea from the Chinese. The Chinese had them in 1300 AD. Tycho Brahe ripped them off in 1600. And next domestic and industrial technology. This is unbelievable. Petroleum and natural gas as fuel: Think about that. Petroleum and natural gas as fuel. The Chinese were getting oil and gas out of the ground in 400 BC. The West got around to it in the 1900s. Paper: 200 B.C. versus 1200 AD. Wheelbarrow: 100 B.C. versus 1200 AD. Fishing reel: Well, the Chinese invented it in 300 A.D. The West didn’t get around to using one until 1700 AD. The stirrup for the horse.

Can you imagine how important that was in terms of transportation and agriculture, warfare, etc.? The stirrup was developed by the Chinese, not the West, in 300 A.D. 300 years later, in 600 A.D., the West got it from China. Biological pest control. The Chinese were doing biological pest control in 380 AD. The West didn’t get around to it until 1900. The matches, you think? Oh, wow, matches. You know, something as simple as that. But how revolutionary that is if you can create fire independently. Matches were created by the Chinese in 577 AD. The West found out about them a thousand years later in 1577 AD. There’s more here printing. Of course, this is the biggie Gutenberg. He didn’t invent Movable Type. It was the Chinese who invented movable type in 1045. And he obviously got it from the Silk Roads. Somebody brought a printing press back, and he claimed it in 1445, 400 years later. It’s interesting that the Chinese were using clay, wood, and ceramics to do their movable type but actually, it was the Koreans who beat the Chinese to it, using metal movable type 50 years before the Chinese. So, the list just goes on and on and on. Looking at engineering: Cast Iron. The Chinese had cast iron in 400 BC. The West didn’t get around to making cast iron until 1300 AD. Double action piston with air pistons 400 B.C. for the Chinese, 1500 for the West. Malleable iron: 300 B.C. for the Chinese, 1300 for the West. The crank handle: Can you imagine how much that revolutionized daily life? The Chinese had it in 200 BC. The West got it in 900 A.D., 1100 years later. Gimbals or Cardan suspension: This goes for I think looming carpets and cloth but they’re very, very important in terms of engineering, 200 B.C. versus 900 AD. Manufacture of steel from cast iron: The Chinese were doing it in 200 B.C. and all this big stuff about the Bessemer converter and all this other stuff that the West had developed and invented. No, they got it from the Chinese. The West got around to it in 1800 A.D., 2000 years later. This is the one that’s so staggering for me. Drilling, deep drilling for natural gas 200 BC. 200 years before Jesus Christ. The Chinese were using massive rocks and pistons, dropping pistons and driving down into the ground, going down hundreds of not just digging a hole, but going down hundreds of meters, extracting natural gas and then taking that and then using bamboo for piping and piping that natural gas after 200 B.C. into people’s houses and they even had street lights. For gosh sake. And we didn’t get around to it until the 1800s. The belt drives, the drive belt. You know, you think of something between two gears.

You know, something as simple as that. Revolutionary 100 B.C. for the Chinese, 1700 A.D. for the West. Chain pump: 100 A.D. versus 1500 AD. Suspension bridge: Of course, Marco Polo was just jaw-dropping because of the bridges in the 1200s. But they actually had suspension bridges in 100 AD. The West finally got around to it. Tooth: 1800 years later in the 1900s. Essentials of a steam engine:  the British want to claim they created the steam engine and all those other guys. The Chinese had the essentials of a steam engine in 500. The West got around to it in 1700. Siemens you know, the German seaman, famous engineering company Siemens supposed steel process. The Chinese had it in 500 A.D. and Siemens claimed that he invented it in 1800. No, he didn’t. He stole it from the Chinese.

Underwater salvage operations: The Chinese were doing underwater salvage operations in 1100 A.D., the West got around to it in the 1900s. Magnetism, of course, is the first compass. The Chinese had the first compass in 400 BC. The West got around to it five 1500 years later, in 1100. Magnetic declination of the Earth’s magnetic field: 900 A.D. versus 1500 AD. The decimal system: the Chinese are very nice. They give the Indians and the Arabs credit for the decimal system. But it was really them that it was really the Chinese who invented it in 1400 B.C. and the West didn’t get around to it until 900 AD. The great Roman Empire used fricking Roman numerals. Jesus. A place for a zero where to put the zero 400 B.C. versus 1000 A.D.

Negative numbers: The Chinese were using negative numbers in 200 BC. The West got around to it in 1500 AD. Extraction of higher roots and solutions of higher numerical equations: 100 B.C. versus 500 AD. Decimal fractions: 100 B.C. versus 1500 AD. Solving cube roots with fractions: This is supposedly Lagrange French guy, scientist, and mathematician. The Lagrange point in space, etc.. My daughter actually spent six months working at Huawei’s Lagrange Mathematical Institute in Paris. Interesting. Anyway, solving Kubat’s with fractions that Lagrange claimed that he invented. Well, sorry, the Chinese had it in 100 B.C., and he claimed it in 1800 using algebra and geometry. Fibonacci, everybody in math knows about Fibonacci.

He was the one who invented it. No, he wasn’t. The Chinese had it in 300 AD. and he developed it supposedly in 1300 A.D. A refined value of pi: You know, pi 3.14 by Liu Hui. He did it in 300 AD. The West finally got around to it 1200 years later in 1500. Solving cubits with decimals. Again, Liu Hui versus Horner. Horner supposedly developed this in the West. No, he didn’t. He stole it from the Chinese. 300 A.D. versus 1900. My god, 1600 years later. Solving cubic equations: Wang Chiao tung versus Scipione del Ferro, 700 A.D. versus 1500 AD.

Pascal: Another French guy’s triangle of binomial coefficients was actually invented by Liu Juchi in 1100. He claimed Pascal invented it in 1527. Equations higher than cubes were actually invented by developed by Qin Jiushao in 1300. The West likely got it with the Silk Roads 300 years later in 1600.

Medical and health–Circulation of the blood: The Chinese figured that out in 600 B.C. The West finally figured it out in 1200 AD. That’s 1800 years. The science of endocrinology hormones and glands. The Chinese had it figured out in 200 BC. The West finally figured it out in 1900. Deficiency diseases like goiter: Again, the Chinese 380 versus 1900 in the West.

Diabetes was discovered by urine analysis: in 700 A.D. 1000 years later in the West in 1700. Use of thyroid hormone: I take thyroid every day. I have almost all my life. My thyroid never worked very well. Doctor Chen Chown again developed it in 700 A.D.. Wow. Big new discovery in the West in 1950, four years before I was born. My God! Did you know that the Chinese were actually immunizing against smallpox immunology inoculation in 1000 AD? And it took and it wasn’t until 1800 that the West finally got around to it.

The first law of motion, the Mohist school was 400 B.C. This is now in the physical sciences. The first law of motion was the Mohist school 400 B.C. versus 900 for the West. The seismograph was created by Chiang Hung in the year 130 A.D. They finally got around to creating a seismograph in the West in 1530 A.D. a good 1400 years. Later, spontaneous combustion was developed by the Chinese in 200 A.D. not 1500 years later, in 1700, the West got around to it. Quote Modern Geology: James Hutton was ridiculed in 1785 when he claimed to have discovered modern geology, but actually, the Chinese had it in 200 A.D., 1500 years earlier.

Then we get to music. This is really interesting. Large tuned bells 600 B.C. versus 1900. I mean, we’re talking about 2500 years later, the West could finally make large tuned bells. Hermetically sealed research laboratories: 100 B.C. for the Chinese versus 1900 A.D. 2000 years later. The first understanding of musical timbre. 300 A.D. versus 1900 A.D. And this is really interesting. Equal temperament in music was discovered by Ju Xiu completely revolutionized European music. Until up Chinese figured it out in 1584 likely got it from the Chinese through the Silk Road and the West got it in 1634. And without that, up until that time, most Western music was just Gregorian chants, just cathedral chants.

There wasn’t really developed music. And of course, that was the Baroque period that was this discovery using the Chinese discovery of equal temperament that allowed modern Western music to be developed. The kite: 450 B.C. versus 1550 A.D. Manned flight with kites: 400 B.C. versus 1250 in the West. The first relief maps: 300 B.C. vs 1300 A.D., 1000 years later. First contour transport canal: You know this is transportation is big if you want to help the people 300 B.C. versus 1600 for the West. Working parachute: 200 B.C. versus 1800 for the West. That’s 2000 years later. The rudder on a boat, of course, that’s 180 versus 1200 A.D. in the West. Balanced rudder 180 A.D. versus 1900 A.D. 1800 years later, the West finally started using a balanced rudder. By the way, I rounded these numbers off so it could be it’s like 1900, but it’s like the 1900s. I’m just using Robert Temple’s information.

Mast and sailing multiple masts and fore and aft rigs: 200 A.D. for the Chinese, which is why they were all over the world long before the West ever got to North America in 1400 just right before Columbus lost his way in North America. Mass and saline water-tight compartments and ships: 280 versus 1980. Masts and sailing Leeboards: 800 A.D. versus 1600. Helicopter rotor and the propeller: You know, supposedly a great American invention, 400 A.D. versus 1900 A.D., 1500 years later. Land sailing: Using wheeled vehicles, which we see on the beaches here in Normandy all the time. It’s a pleasure sport here. 550 A.D. versus 1600 in the West. Canal pound lock: You know, the famous locks to take ships up and down elevations developed by Chia Weihua in 984. Finally, 400 years later, in 1384, the West got the idea. The fenestrated rudder was developed in 1300 by the Chinese, and not until 2000 by the West. My God!

Okay warfare: This is really incredible. And this is why you know that the Chinese are not imperialistic and not expansionist because if they were, you would be speaking. I would be speaking Chinese to you, and you would have gone to school in Chinese because they had they had weapons. Their weapon technology was centuries ahead of the West, and they could have easily taken over the entire world if they were lizard-brained Westerners like the way the Westerners treat the rest of the world. Chemical warfare, poison gas, smoke bombs, and tear gas 400 B.C. versus 1900 in the West. The crossbow: A guy named Mr. Qin invented it with a metal trigger in 200 B.C. versus 00 A.D. 200 years earlier. Gunpowder: 900 versus 1200. It’s really interesting. The lag for weapons is actually not nearly as much as some of the other developments because the West needed those weapons. Soft bombs and grenades: 1000 versus 1400.

The flamethrower: 1000 A.D. versus 2000 A.D. The Chinese actually had flamethrowers in a thousand years before the West. Gunpowder loaded arrows: 1000 A.D. versus 1550. Repeating crossbow: 1100 versus 1700, 600 years earlier. I mean, they could have just plowed across Asia all the way to Portugal. And nobody could have stopped him. But they didn’t do that because that’s not the way they don’t have that Western expansionist war occupation enslaving people. They just don’t have that DNA. Rockets: 1100 versus 1300, 200 years earlier. Guns, cannons, and mortars, fire Lance: 1120 in China, 1570 in the west, 450 years later. Metal-cased bombs: 1221 in China versus 1467. Land mines: 1277 in China versus 1403 in the West. That’s only 126 years later, and I’m sure all of this stuff was brought through the Silk Roads. Guns, cannons, and mortars—the true gun: The Chinese had it in 1280, and 50 years later, the West got it. Likely, again, guns are easy to transport. I’m sure they were brought over by the Silk Roads.

The Venturi principle: 1300 in China, 1800, 500 years later in the West. Repeating guns in 1300, in China, 1600, 300 years later in the West. A winged rocket: Just think about that. You know, World War Two, the V2 the German V2 1400 A.D. in China, the 20th century 600 years later in the West. Sea mines: 1400 in China, 200 years later in the West. Multi-staged rockets: Incredible. 1400 for the Chinese 600 years later in 2000, in the 20th century for the West. On average the average for the Chinese the development is 238 A.D., and the average for the West is 1491 A.D., a difference of 1238 years on average. So, this is what the West is up against. This is why they cannot compete.

This is why they are having to resort to war and occupation and boycotts and sanctions and tariffs and blockades because they cannot compete against China on a level playing field. And other than that, the 110-year period that the Chinese call the century of humiliation from 1839, the First Opium War until the communists liberated China in 1949. Other than that, 110-year period, when the Europeans and the Americans savagely raped and plundered the Chinese people during that time and kept them completely incapacitated with opium and then later morphine and heroin into the late 19th century and into the 20th century, the largest, most profitable, and longest-lasting drug cartel in human history, thanks to the British and the Americans.

Other than that, 110-year period, China has always been the top dog in the world. It’s just all there is to it. And now that the Western empire is obviously on the decline after 500 years of raping and plundering and pillaging and enslaving. For most of the rest of the world, that’s all now coming to an end. And China just has to keep trucking along for 5000 years, and no one’s going to be able to catch them. And of course, that is another reason why the United States will eventually push China into a war using Taiwan as a proxy, just like they’re using the Ukraine as a proxy to try to destroy Russia. It has been a complete and total failure in Ukraine and will likely ignite World War three because now they’ve approved shooting long-distance missiles deep, into Russia, which is war.

That’s a hot war. And of course, the Russians will respond accordingly. The court and the Chinese just said at the Shangri-La Military Confab in Singapore this week that we will never accept anything less than Taiwan being reintegrated into the motherland. Of course, Taiwan has been a part of Chinese culture and civilization going back thousands and thousands of years. They will likely trigger the Chinese to attack, and as again, I’d like to point out to people, a lot of people don’t know this, but China and North Korea have a mutual defense treaty going back to 1961, just renewed in 2021.

So that when America does trigger their war with China 1.2 million Marxist-Leninist, communist, socialist, Confucianist, highly motivated, highly ideological North Korean soldiers 1.2 million will flood across this 38th parallel and overwhelms South Korea and we’ll see what happens then. In the meantime, go on YouTube and there’s I have my database that I’ve created but I can’t keep up. I mean, I try but there’s so much out there. The best place if you want to follow Chinese infrastructure and technology is YouTube. There are some wonderful channels on there, that I run across all the time.

And also check out my database. Download this table that I just reviewed with you. And I’ve also got a number of videos and a number of other resources in my database. So have at it. And enjoy the ultra-modern life that you have today, because you can thank the Chinese for what they gave to the West over the last 4000 or 5000 years to get us there. This is Jeff J. Brown China Rising Radio Sinoland, founder of Seek Truth from Facts Foundation and the China Writers Group. Signing out. Have a great day.

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JEFF J. BROWN, Editor, China Rising, and Senior Editor & China Correspondent, Dispatch from Beijing, The Greanville Post

Jeff J. Brown is a geopolitical analyst, journalist, lecturer and the author of The China Trilogy. It consists of 44 Days Backpacking in China – The Middle Kingdom in the 21st Century, with the United States, Europe and the Fate of the World in Its Looking Glass (2013); Punto Press released China Rising – Capitalist Roads, Socialist Destinations (2016); and BIG Red Book on China (2020). As well, he published a textbook, Doctor WriteRead’s Treasure Trove to Great English (2015). Jeff is a Senior Editor & China Correspondent for The Greanville Post, where he keeps a column, Dispatch from Beijing and is a Global Opinion Leader at 21st Century. He also writes a column for The Saker, called the Moscow-Beijing Express. Jeff writes, interviews and podcasts on his own program, China Rising Radio Sinoland, which is also available on YouTubeStitcher Radio, iTunes, Ivoox and RUvid. Guests have included Ramsey Clark, James Bradley, Moti Nissani, Godfree Roberts, Hiroyuki Hamada, The Saker and many others. [/su_spoiler]

Jeff can be reached at China Rising, je**@br***********.com, Facebook, Twitter, Wechat (+86-19806711824/Mr_Professor_Brown, and Line/Signal/Telegram/Whatsapp: +33-612458821.

Read it in your language • Lealo en su idioma • Lisez-le dans votre langue • Lies es in deniner Sprache • Прочитайте это на вашем языке • 用你的语言阅读

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Wechat group: search the phone number +8619806711824 or my ID, Mr_Professor_Brown, friend request and ask Jeff to join the China Rising Radio Sinoland Wechat group. He will add you as a member, so you can join in the ongoing discussion.

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