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Billy Bob: Good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us at the Blowback Roundtable. Every time I say morning, I realize it’s only morning for me. Ben Toth is in Page, Hungary at 6 p.m. there. Ian Kummer is in Moscow, and I forget I want to say seven, but it might be eight.

Ben Toth: I think it’s you’re right.

Ian Kummer: It’s seven. Yes.

Billy: It is seven. Jeff Brown, he’s our special guest today is Jeff Brown. He’s coming from Normandy, France. And I believe it’s 6 p.m. there. Carlo Pacelli is in Washington, D.C. It is noon Eastern time. So thank you guys for joining us. We entitled today’s episode “Biden’s Big Boy NATO Summit”. That, of course, is in reference to Biden doing a great job introducing Zelensky as President Putin. And I think we might have a clip of that.

Ben: Sure, sure we can start there if you like because this was puffed up by Sullivan, Blinken, and even historical spokesperson Karine Jean-Pierre, as there’s going to be a big boy press conference. And it was late, an hour late, and it only lasted 15 minutes or something. But he managed to screw it up so badly that this was when he introduced little Zelensky.

“And now I want to hand it over to the president of Ukraine, who has as much courage as he has determination. Ladies and gentlemen, President Putin.”

Jeff J. Brown: Hahaha!

“President Zelensky.”

“I’m so focused on beating Putin, we got to worry about it anyway.”

Ian: I’m better.

Ben: I’m better. By number one which, by the way, Olga Buzova, one of the greatest Russian trolls has made a wonderful video because, yeah, Putin is living rent-free in the minds of these 32 NATO.

“Now, I want to hand it over to the president of Ukraine, who has as much courage as he has determination. Ladies and gentlemen, President Putin.”

Ben: I mean really, it is enough of that. There are a couple of other clips because he also called Vice President Trump his vice president.

Jeff: Yeah, yeah Kamala Harris.

Ben: Yeah, Kamala Harris, he also said he listens to the advice of the commander in chief where most people are going I thought that was you.

Ian: Well, he referred to himself as a black woman.

Ben: Yeah, that’s also true. He’s the first black woman in the White House or something like that.

Ian: He’s the first black woman president. Yes, he is.

Ben: I mean, this is a 75-year-old birthday for the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. So it looked like a funeral, by the way, in Carnegie Mellon Hall, I think it was dressed up in really dark colors. And all of this was fitting. And I just want to share, like two pictures that came out of this that I love because, yeah, he’s lining up all the vessels. And this was my favorite number one, which, by the way, I don’t know this guy. I forget his name, the Prime Minister of New Zealand. But this is South Korean President Yoon, Miss American Pie singing in the White House, there’s Zelensky’s and Fumio Kishida. So that’s a very, very specific lineup for the North Atlantic Treaty Organization.

Billy: That’s an odd one.

Ben: Yeah. And the second one that just making the rounds today is this one, which I just love this.

Jeff: Maloney.

Jeff: Yeah, the Maloney can’t police.

Jeff: Oh, and there’s Auburn and there’s your President in front of your prime minister in front there, Ben.

Ben: Yeah, true.

Jeff: One of my favorite politicians.

Ben: Well, we are actually, I’m here mostly to listen to you, but I’m very proud of what he did because, after this, he didn’t even shake Biden’s hand. I don’t think they spoke. He just fucked off to Mar a Lago, Florida to meet with Trump, which was the fifth station of his peace mission. So he didn’t care at all for all of this.

So yeah, that’s the broad outlines of what I could find. I actually checked the communique. I don’t know if there’s more than one but in the official NATO communique, there isn’t a single hard commitment in there. Yeah, €40 billion for next year. Maybe, here’s the get-out clause. What do you call it? An irreversible path for Ukraine into NATO, no commitments, no time frame, nothing.

Billy: It’s well-lit, Ben. It’s a very well-lit bridge. So Biden was supposed to knock, hit that out of the park. Everything was set up. He’s reading from the transcript. He’s got a transcript to read.

Ben: He’s got cheat cards.

Billy: He’s got a double dose of the military-grade meth. So he was really supposed to nail it, and that was the best he could do. It was really pathetic. But, Jeff, we did want to get to you about what’s going on in France. I mean, you guys are having a little bit of an election debacle, not unsimilar to what we’re experiencing in the United States. Can you give us your view?

Ben: We can transition to there any time. But I thought maybe people had some thoughts about the NATO summit.

Jeff: Yeah, this represents I think we should segue into the French elections and we can even go into America because the parallels are uncanny between the American election and the French elections. So yeah, I think the NATO conference was it was a declaration of war against China, Biden specifically came out and gave a warning to China that the United States will not tolerate it and blamed everybody. Blinken blamed China.

Biden blames China. Everybody and their dead uncle blamed China for their abysmal losses in Ukraine claiming that China is providing the necessary equipment to Russia that is giving it that competitive edge. And I am sure that between us girls, I think that China is probably providing a lot more to Russia than they want to officially say just as North Korea is providing a lot of artillery and small arms and everything else that they can to Russia.

Now that they have their mutual defense treaty after Putin’s visit to North Korea, what, a couple of weeks ago. But this is a declaration of war. And as China has plausible deniability they just say, no, we’re supplying nothing. And so as long as that continues as long as China doesn’t fess up and say, yeah, we’re supplying missiles or whatever to Russia, there’s that diplomatic dance that they do to not to admit it.

But it’s pretty clear that they are preparing to go to war against China. And I would not have said that. I mean, all last year and the year before that, I was sitting there going, no, the United States after the disaster in Russia, they’re not that stupid. But they are and they will go to war against China which is quite interesting because Elon and I are moving to Taiwan province in September, but we’ll be up in the foothills away from the coast.

And so there are 400 military bases in the Pacific alone. US military bases in the Pacific alone pointed towards Russia, pointed towards North Korea, and pointed towards China, and the United States for the last couple of years has been stalking South Korea with arms using it as a weapons depot.

The United States got caught maybe a year and a half or two years ago experimenting with bioweapons on South Koreans and got caught. So we know that the United States has bioweapons in South Korea. I’ve reported on all this. It’s my understanding and no one wants to talk about it, but that Taiwan is also a cesspool of bioweapon research and stocking bioweapons.

Ben: As was Ukraine.

Jeff: Yeah, yeah as Ukraine. And they’re building up what General Douglas MacArthur called Japan as America’s unsinkable aircraft carrier after World War two. And then they’ve got the Philippines Bongbong Ferdinand Marcos Junior. He is apparently, like Zelensky, a cocaine addict. And so the United States can tell him to do whatever he needs to do to get his fix, including adding four new bases that the United States can take control of.

And it just so happens that three of them are in Luzon, which is that island in the north, it looks like an octopus head. And where Manila is, Manila is just south of these military bases. But it is as close to Taiwan as you can get. And then they have another base that they’re going to take over on Palawan, which is an island that sticks out like a thumb, which is as close to China as the Philippines can get. And they tried to send some anti-missile systems there. They were supposedly sent back as a dog bone to China, but you have no idea whether they’re telling the truth or not.

There were pictures of them showing that they had arrived and they were there. And then Taiwan. Taiwan Province has islands that are very, very close to mainland China, the People’s Republic of China as a quirk of history after 1949 when the United States escorted Chiang Kai Shek in the fascist government and eventually a couple of million to Chiang Kai Shek to Taiwan and Mao was getting ready to invade Taiwan and was getting ready to take these islands that are right off the coast literally Kinmen is two kilometers.

It’s two kilometers from Xiamen. I mean, I’ve looked at it. You can practically see the people walking the cars driving on Kinmen and unfortunately. And I think it was no accident. The United States in South Korea triggered the invasion into North Korea which caused Mao to stop taking over Taiwan and these islands. So you’ve got the Matsu Islands up in the north along the Fujian border, north of Xiamen. But the worst is Kinmen. And there’s another one. I forgot the name of it and it’s literally two kilometers from mainland China. And it is Taiwanese territory. And there are now a couple of hundred US special forces there.

Ben: Yeah, this is a couple of months old news.

Jeff: Yeah. And they’re there and remember how it all started in Vietnam? Well, they said 500 special forces to Vietnam back Eisenhower did. And so this is ominous. The United States keeps approving arms sales to Taiwan. They keep goading the Democratic Progressive Party, which is the separatist party that is pretty much managed by the United States Department of State to do inflammatory things to piss off Baba Beijing. And so the war theater is set. And not to mention in Australia, they’ve got a naval base. The United States has a naval base in Darwin Australia, which is that thumb that sticks up in the northeast corner of Australia.

There are supposedly nuclear weapons there. We can assume that there are nuclear, that there are submarines in South Korea and there are submarines in Japan that could very well have nuclear weapons in them and claim that they do not have nuclear weapons in Japan, just park next door to it. And they can also say the same thing about South Korea, although they officially say they don’t. And so the deck is set and I think I just saw a wonderful talk that his name was it Matthew Barney or whatever he was the former president of the United Nations Security Council and a Singapore diplomat and scholar.

Ben: He’s an excellent diplomat. Yeah, I know what you mean.

Jeff: He’s really amazing. And he just gave a speech saying that the United States feels like it has ten years to do to China what the United States did to the Soviet Union in 1990. And they are trying desperately to destroy China. So I don’t think the Chinese have any illusions about what’s going on.

Ben: On that point, before we transition to any new topic, I’d like to just share with you that this made it into the actual communiqué, the NATO communique that the People’s Republic of China blah, blah, blah can continue to challenge our interests, security, and values, which doesn’t matter that they continue. And I think Stoltenberg called it the Prime Enabler Of Russia’s War.

Jeff: He also came out with an inflammatory speech. They all did.

Ben: Yeah, something like that. And just so you know, Global Times, which is the main newspaper of the Communist Party of China. This was the ninth. So this kind of preempted they already knew what would happen, I think, at the NATO summit, because they already had this big, big op-ed piece worth reading to full. And already they talk about these lies and trouble stirring.

And officially, Wang Wenbin, the spokesperson of the Foreign Ministry, already said that we don’t want any NATO provocations or lies. I mean, that’s not strong in the world, but within Chinese diplomacy, that’s as strong as it gets. I would have sanctioned every NATO supplier not getting a chip you’re not getting raw resources, nothing but from China that’s strong. So at least we can say they took note of this in a serious way.

Ian: I do maybe take issue with the assertion that this means NATO wants war. I mean, what, in your opinion, makes this different, what they’re doing? Because you did get a very detailed description of what’s going on in the Indo-Pacific. What, in your opinion, makes this different than previous Cold War containment policies or even what happened in Ukraine, provoking the other side into attacking first? What makes us look like actually want a hot war?

Jeff: Well, that’s a good question. This was not the Cold War back then there was the Soviet Union and NATO facing off principally in Eastern Europe. Since then the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea has thermonuclear weapons, multiple entry missiles that can not only take out the west coast of the United States but also the East coast of the United States.

North Korea, Russia, China, and Iran, all have hyper-hypersonic missiles. Even the West has no hypersonic missiles to date that are usable. Iran is right there with him. In fact, I call Iran, Russia, DPRK, and China the Asian quad. And I think they really believe there’s a lot of credence what Mackinder’s island theory that if you can control the Asian continent, you control the world and the US has lost that.

Ben: Yeah, the heartland theory.

Jeff: Yeah, the heartland theory. And I think they realize this is sort of this is it. The Ukrainian thing has turned out, they thought, I mean, they’re so megalomaniac and so full of hubris and Eric and racism against Slavs and Asians. They thought that Russia was going to fold like a house of cards in two weeks and that they were going to be able to do what Hitler couldn’t do. And that is to take back Russia.

Ben: Greatest miscalculation in the world.

Jeff: And they’re now a high-income country. Russia is now a high-income country.

Ben: World Bank.

Jeff: Yeah, World Bank. Russia now has a bigger economy than Germany. Their ruble is stable. I mean, they’re just going from strength to strength. They now have a defense treaty with North Korea. I think that’s also another thing that just scares the shit out of NATO.

Ben: And let’s add to that that the Chinese are also in Belarus doing joint military exercises.

Billy: So I’m not sure Ian’s getting the answer he was searching.

Ian: Yes, it’s not.

Ben: I just see where Jeff is going though.

Jeff: I’m just saying it’s just this is it. I mean, they are going to double down on the only game plan that the West knows is 3000 years of war. And that is not going to change. And I always joke that Western leaders and Western military leaders have reptile brains, and this is all they know is just expansionism, enslavement, exploitation, extraction. This is all they know. And they’re not going to change after 3000 years. And I mean I’ve actually heard what’s the guy’s the Department of Defense leader, the black guy. What’s his name?

Ben: Llyod Austin.

Jeff: Yeah, yeah. He’s even said publicly we can handle China.

Ben: Chew gum and what the fuck at the same time I don’t know what these Americans say.

Jeff: I think they’re deluded. I think they are megalomaniacs. I mean, these people are really Doctors No. Stanley Kubrick’s Doctor No. I don’t think they’re attached to reality. I don’t think they know what they are getting into. So I don’t know if I’ve answered. Ian, I don’t think they can turn it off. The West cannot accept not controlling the world’s resources. And if you want to get into some dialectics, it’s the only way capitalism can survive. Capitalism cannot survive without perpetual war.

Ben: I’d like to have a go at that too, as well, Ian, if you don’t mind quickly.

Ian: Yes.

Ben: Because they had to line up not just the 32 member states, but these, as they call it, the Asia Pacific, which is also extremely racist. Nobody in the region, well, sorry, Indo-Pacific, nobody in the region calls it that. It shows we’re not alone. You see, everything we’ve purchased in the last 30 years. So all the vessels are here on our US dime saying. We’re not just a lone voice. This is a last toss of the dice, as Jeff would put it. But it’s incredibly desperate. And I think it’s showing the incredible US weakness that we can’t just handle.

We can handle the Houthis alone. So we need to put these people who were all very nervous because if the US fortunes fall, their fortune falls with them. And just on that note of the racism that is still in them, you probably know the outgoing high representative, the EU, Mr. Gardiner, Josep Borrell Fontella. There’s one more clip I do want to share with you. It’s quick. It’s 20 seconds and this wasn’t at the NATO summit I don’t think. But just check this out.

“In some African countries, you see people supporting Putin, supporting what Putin is doing in Donbass, saying Putin has saved Donbass. Now he will come to Africa and save us. What kind of intellectual process is behind this kind of attitude?”

Ben: And did you see the hand gesture? Like what kind of intellectual. That’s all the Africans completely. I just don’t know what they are removed from reality, that’s for sure.

Carlo Parcelli: No context. That statement had no context. I mean, it was empty.

Ben: Oh, absolutely.

Carlo: Very telling.

Ben: But they’re stuck in this is, I think what’s Jeff’s point was this is the way it’s always been with 75 years old. Many times they said the strongest alliance in the history of the world. They have to say that it’s more of a PR exercise than anything else. But I wonder if that answered Ian’s question.

Ian: No, no, because both sides of the aisle, both the anti-NATO, both the multi-polar crowd and the pro-NATO people, you know, the pivot to China is very big I mean, it does get a lot of media attention. I am not convinced. I don’t see a lot of evidence for it because, I mean, I guess my question, the way I would phrase that question is what would that look like? Because if China does not attack Taiwan, I don’t see another plausible way for wars to start. And while the USA, at least pays lip service to the one-China policy, which they do. I don’t truly see a provocation that would compel China.

Jeff: A False Flag. Look at the Gulf of Tonkin.

Ian: Yeah, sure. But what is that going to look like?

Billy: I mean, well, Ian, saying until that happens, I mean, he wouldn’t characterize it as a declaration of war, but definitely what NATO is doing is an escalation. I think he’s just maybe thinking that a declaration of war is a little too overstating the case.

Jeff: Implicitly declaring war.

Billy: Yeah. I mean, they’re leaving their options open. There isn’t it’s not like they’ve sealed themselves on this one course. So the West right now could definitely say, okay, we’re going to cooperate instead of facilitate a conflict. But they’re taking steps towards conflict and they’re not taking steps towards cooperation. Jeff, I want to ask you. Well, go ahead, Ian.

Ian: Yeah. I guess my point is that would require a pivot because I don’t see the USA fighting China and Russia at the same time. I think even the most pro-NATO person in the world doesn’t truly believe that.

Billy: It truly seems suicidal. It seems very suicidal.

Ian: It seems like diverting. I don’t see anyone even suggesting diverting attention away from you.

Ben: Imagine how nervous you would be if you’re Carlos or Donald Tusk or these people seeing this development.

Carlo: Let me just interject. What about we go back to World War Two and Japan and the way that they were goaded into essentially attacking the West? Because they were denied their oil, which they have none of on their own land. That kind of situation could arise here with the advent of all of this base structure by the US in the Pacific, the Aukus deal, and the pivot toward Australia that the US is making now. It could ignite that way. I just want to toss that out.

Ben: Japan’s economy is still thirsty and highly dependent on energy imports. So that’s still the case.

Jeff: The one thing that makes me inclined to agree with Ian is a lot of people don’t know that since 1961, China and North Korea have had a mutual defense treaty. So that means that if there is a hot war precipitated between the United States and China guess what’s going to happen? 1.2 million Marxist-Leninist, highly ideologically motivated North Korean soldiers are going to storm across the 38th parallel.

What are those 25,000 US soldiers down in Pusan going to do? I mean that to me that just shows how utterly detached from reality the Western leadership is. And I do want to say, Ian, I can’t pull it up. I’m so impressed with Ben’s gizmos. I’m outclassed. But I do remember Janet Yellen, the Secretary of the Treasury of the United States saying that the United States can financially support two wars.

Ben: By the way, there was a European bankers meeting maybe 2 or 3 weeks ago before this NATO thing where Jerome Powell was there and it wasn’t highly reported. But he says, no, we cannot get into any more debt at this point. That was Powell.

Billy: He’s talking about expanding the social safety net though. That doesn’t apply to war, Ben, come on.

Ben: Of course, I’m sorry I’m not American. I don’t know this.

Billy: So, Jeff, I wanted to stop you, like, after your third sentence when you started talking about China and ask you, let’s talk about the kind of support that China is giving Russia. So it seems to me that I saw a good statement from a Chinese spokesperson that said we are fully in compliance with World Trade Organization rules and that there are already international laws defining how you become an active belligerent or how you actually support a belligerent.

And that China is following all the rules. They are not giving Russia anything that can be considered illegal or contraband due to the fact that they’re in a conflict with Ukraine. And so the US is kind of expanding the definition. They’re changing the laws. Of course, we know that the US has this rule-based order where the rules are whatever the US says it is.

But the actual laws that exist, the US is ignoring them and expanding on what they mean to accuse China of being of supporting Russia with weapons and war material when now you made the statement that they might be doing it off the books, they could be doing things behind the scenes. But what they’re doing on the books is like circuits and things like that that are totally legal processors under the World Trade Organization.

Jeff: Microchips and that kind of stuff.

Billy: Yes. So, China definitely resents this accusation. They say it’s more of the rules-based order where they’re changing the rules to suit the situation. And also we’ve got some commenters. So MK was saying he doesn’t think that Russia gives anything to China, or China or DPRK doesn’t give anything to Russia. And then Brian was wondering what about support? At least there they are giving support in a number of ways. I think MK is talking specifically about weapons and the military.

Jeff: Not even support MK. What’s MK?

Billy: That’s his name.

Ben: Yeah. One of the commenters here.

Jeff: Oh, okay. Gotcha.

Billy: Or her name. Sorry.

Ben: He’s or her name. Sorry about this. But I’ll quickly add that what China does is trade. It is the manufacturer of the world. The factory of the world. And if you take a look at this graph, it’s from two years ago via the Colonial South China Morning Post. This is the US dependence. The US weapons, including all the big corporations that radars, cruise missiles, everything is dependent on Chinese parts.

So all they have done is okay, don’t give anything to Russia. But China isn’t yet under complete secondary sanctions. And they say, well, you can use these, then we can they could stop the entire US war machine in readiness tracks if they say no more exports to you. So it’s kind of I wanted to add that.

Jeff: And the US military just asked for an exemption to be able to use Huawei around the world because they are finding that they cannot do empire with all of the countries around the world because all the countries around the world except the West have Huawei. And so now the Pentagon is asking for an exclusion to be able to work with Huawei around the world. So it’s just crazy. And I also want to advocate for what Ian is saying. There is one thing that is a certainty. It will not be China that takes the first step. It will.

Ben: Absolutely.

Jeff: It would have to be something, a False Flag, goading the president to declare independence. I mean, I can tell you that Biden and the entire Congress could visit Taiwan together. And all China would do would be to bitch and complain and show the people their citizens that they’re standing up for their lawful reunification of Taiwan. But they are not going. There are 200 special forces two kilometers off the coast of the People’s Republic of China.

China’s sucking that up. They will do anything. They will do everything to avoid a hot war because they realize that their development program, housing, health, medical, infrastructure, finances, roads, ports, and everything that they’re doing for the people, education, science, and technology, all that would be put on somewhat of a hold if there was a hot war.

So it would have to be triggered by either Taiwan taking orders from Washington or Washington doing a False Flag like a Gulf of Tonkin or the Mukden Incident when the Japanese blew up a train track in 1937 to justify invading the rest of China and starting their march down south. But I just think that this is all they know. This is all they can do. They have no imagination. They have no flexibility. They are like Tyrannosaurus rex, and all they can do is just plow forward with war. That’s all they’ve ever done.

Billy: I think everyone here is in total agreement with that analysis. I was hoping maybe I could get your opinion on the following it’s a very contentious issue on social media, and I’ve noticed that certain for lack of a better term pro-Russian partisans who probably are pretty wary of the communist ideology and are wary of China really just like Maria is expressing here. So Maria says and I think what she’s saying is she doesn’t see any support from China for Russia.

And I totally disagree. I know Ben disagrees. But you know and I know you disagree, Jeff, but I’ve tried before to explain why I disagree. But I would like to hear you maybe give the case for the kinds of support that China is giving Russia, and for how these two are very tight and how they both understand the geopolitical stakes and they’ve learned from the Sino-Soviet split, etc., etc.

Carlo: Let me just throw something in. What we’re missing part of is, is that you have a tank in Russia, and it requires all kinds of metals and all kinds of source materials. And China is shipping that source material that can wind up as part of a tank at the other end of the production process. So that they deal with these source materials forever. So I just want to throw that out. I can’t name the source materials. Some of them are rare earths, but I don’t know what those are.

Ben: Those are in Russia though manufactured components. You’re right about that.

Carlo: Yeah, but not even manufactured I mean raw materials. The US has taken it down

Ben: That’s all in Russia.

Ian: With the thing with military technologies that is supposed to be a closed circuit if there’s a weapon that requires imports, that actually kind of defeats the purpose of the weapon. It does need to be a closed circuit. So I don’t think it’s I mean, I am saying that there are no imports from China at all ending up in Russian weapons. I’m not saying that’s not true, but they don’t need Chinese imports to make weapons. It’s a self-contained industrial complex.

Billy: Their Military Industrial Complex is pretty efficient, pretty self-contained.

Jeff: Let’s go to the other extreme. 25% of China’s military arms weapons and missiles are now being made by robots. One-fourth of China’s military production is being made with robots. I can’t prove it, but I read an article that they have an underground nuclear bomb-proof factory, 100% driven by robots that can crank out one thousand hypersonic missiles a week.

Ian: One thousand?

Jeff: Yes, one thousand. And the United States can’t make that many in a year. Now, let me just play the devil’s advocate. Russia sends a guy with a briefcase so that they can’t capture it on the internet, electronically. He arrives in Beijing with the total design package for the consoles. You know, one of Russia’s hypersonic missiles. Here, build these for us. And China is the only country in the world that could do that and it would be untraceable because if they put on the Russian, put everything in Russian on it and the whole bit and China is one of those countries that could do a turnaround on something like that really, really, I think is bullshit, says MK.

But I’m just playing the devil’s advocate because China has the capacity to do that. There are thousands of trains going from China to Russia every year now. There are bridges all across the Amur River, roads, and railroads going across the Amur River. I’m just saying it, it is not out of the realm of impossibility. Yeah is that right I get that right. It is in the realm of possibilities. So I think China has been supplying North Korea outside of the sanctions because of the terrible economic plight that the sanctions did.

And the Chinese and the Russians have been asking to remove those sanctions. And, of course, the United States will never remove them. And so there’s railroad tracks and trucks and everything going across the North Korean border with China. I’m sure they’ve been supplying North Korea with badly needed supplies. So I’m just bringing up a hypothetical. I’m not saying it’s true. But they do have the capacity to do that level of sophisticated arms building really, really fast.

Ben: I’m with you. They can do that for themselves, though. Can I quickly respond to know that you know, I know that your Maria and Condor are a fantastic fucking name. I think you’re in Moscow the same as Ian is. Remember when the mother of all sanctions was dropped on Russia, it was supposed to be a pariah that couldn’t trade with anyone and suddenly you’re probably a good eyewitness to this step the European cars left, and everything’s filled with BYD and Chinese car brands I think in Moscow.

Someone needed to buy all that oil, all that gas now goes to Turkey, China, and India. I mean, Modi gave the big bear hug too. So there are other ways of support. I don’t think Russia needs men or equipment to fight its wars. I think that’s been since Soviet times as Ian said, closed loop. Everything has to be made here, that’s our fundamental principle. But there are many, many other ways of support, including diplomacy, and economy, the multiple ways that I think China has eased this. I don’t know, shall we call it a transition from world pariah sanction to hell to a thriving economy.

Carlo: I disagree with you. I think those source materials, they’re coming from China. They’ve got a large border. It’s easy to ship them. China has access to them sometimes as a proxy and to ship to Russia. And I would say, shame on China if it’s not supplying Russia with what it needs.

Jeff: That’s my feeling.

Ben: And I think let’s go into fridges and boats and cars and phones. I don’t think they go into the arsenals.

Ian: Well the thing to remember here about Russia and Chinese trade has gone up. However, Russia has a trade surplus with China in its favor. It’s not like a huge it’s not like Poland. It’s not a huge trade. China doesn’t have a huge trade deficit with Russia. No, but Russia does have a trade surplus in its favor. They send more to China than they receive in return. That’s just me.

Carlo: I think there’s a proscription against this. People don’t want to agree with that. But on the other side, you have NATO and the United States, all of that crap, all these people with all the criminals that were just a few miles from me. So today maybe, or the other day, they’re supporting Ukraine.

Ben: You probably know Carnegie Mellon Hall. Right?

Carlo: So what’s wrong with China shipping stuff to their ally, Russia?

Ben: That’s true. Tit for tat.

Carlo: None. And they should do it.

Jeff: Let me ask you this.

Carlo: And Russia needs it. They should ship it.

Ben: But Jeff has a question.

Jeff: What about the reports that North Korea which is very sophisticated, maybe not as automated as China, of course, but they have very, very sophisticated arms and military technology? What about reports of North Korea selling Russian artillery shells and machine guns?

Ian: Well, that’s got more. I mean, I would say that story is more confirmed. I didn’t see anyone in Russia denying it. I mean, but that’s the same. I mean, that’s no different than NATO buying shells from South Korea, which is why it’s so funny to me.

Jeff: Yeah, but I’m just saying that of course, artillery shells are they’re very low technology. Machine guns are very low technology.

Ian: I would see it as a Russian policy because, I mean, well, because one North Korea had I mean, the reason they exist as a state at all is because diplomatically, they’ve been very good at staying on good terms with both China and the Soviet Union and Russia. But from Russia’s vantage, I mean, so they get because that is stockpiles of shells that are just sitting there and no one said what exactly North Korea is getting in return.

I mean, they could be getting some sort of migrant worker contract. But I think what’s going to happen is they’re going to get some Russian technology. I mean, I think that’s now that’s a very likely outcome And that’s going to not be great for NATO’s position if North Korea can boost their missile technology, like, imagine if they had hypersonic missile technology for their alleged nuclear arsenal, or imagine if they had better air defenses or I mean, there’s a lot of things that Russia could do to make NATO sweat in that region.

Ben: Remember Shoigu went there before Putin and they talked about Joint Spacetech. I thought that.

Jeff: And Kim visited the Russian Space Center with Putin near Vladivostok.

Ben: Yeah, the Vostok during I think.

Jeff: Yeah. It was, he went and saw it and there was a tacit agreement that they were going to work in the aerospace technology field. So the North Koreans are savvy enough that they could actually put it to good use.

Ian: I think one thing about Russian policy, and I think Westerners can misinterpret it because one thing that’s been very good about Russian diplomacy and I’ll mention their diplomats receive far higher and more specialized education than ours do. I mean, compare Blinken with Zakharova or any of the other or Lavrov or any of their diplomats. But the big thing is, they’re very good at approaching other countries as equal partners, regardless of how big or influential.

I mean, Russian diplomats go to Serbia or North Korea or Cuba tiny little countries and it’s just equal partners for something. But at the same time, we should not interpret that as a weakness or that those little countries are doing Russia a favor. It’s really it’s the reverse. Russia is doing them a favor. But the difference is they don’t rub it in their faces like the USA does constantly with the Philippines like we’re just this divine benefactor to the Philippines protecting them from Chinese aggression.

But at the same time, we shouldn’t misinterpret the gesture either. You know, North Korea is the big winner in that arrangement with Russia. I mean, North Korea, I mean, it’s probably a godsend for North Korea because we have to remember, too, that when the Soviet Union collapsed, there was a famine in North Korea because there were so many imports, those imports went away and there was a famine. So those sanctions basically being ignored now is a huge benefit to North Korea. I think we’re going to see the fruits of that in time.

Billy: I would make the argument that if I’m talking to somebody who is skeptical of China, somebody who doesn’t think very much of China and maybe is all in on Russia, but doesn’t really think China is doing enough or doing what they should be doing. I mean, I would just reject that entire premise. And I would argue that the government of Russia is probably best served by China not coming under the target of Western imperialism for as long as possible. So as long as they can push that time frame out that the US really engages in an economic embargo or starts a hot war with China, that’s going to be better for the anti-imperialist bloc.

Ben: And to add to that, while constantly spending money, sending all their interceptors, spending all their shells and everything while China is still free to act in the world.

Billy: So, Russia doesn’t need any help from China. There is nothing going on right now. That is where they really need China’s assistance. And if China was just for no reason to provide start pumping in tanks Chinese tanks or whatever that’s not going to help Russia. Russia doesn’t need it. And that’s going to immediately change the global dynamic. It’s going to accelerate the march toward World War three. And that doesn’t serve humanity’s interests.

So there’s still a chance that Russia and China, it’s a very slim chance can make it clear to the West that they need to cooperate instead of march towards conflict. But I think what these Russian partisans who are skeptical of China are demanding China do is just to accelerate this march down the road to World War three and just get there quicker than you know is best for humanity. And humanity is best served by not doing anything that’s provocative.

For a long time, China was really interested in going along with the Western order, going along with the rules-based order and adhering to more or less all of these sanctions, the sanctions against North Korea, the sanctions against other countries, and China was going along. They were playing ball with the Western global system because they were benefiting from it and they weren’t being attacked.

But as soon as it’s clear what’s going on that that Russia is a stepping stone to fucking China. Like that’s the thing that everybody knows and so with that reality, China is not going to keep going along with these things. But they’re going to be responding to the West and it’s the West that’s going to determine how fast we march to World War three. And China is not going to take any provocative step that is going to force us down that road or along that path. And so I mean, I don’t know does that make any sense?

Ian: I don’t think Russia is a stepping stone to China.

Ben: I saw you shake your head there.

Ian: Yes. It’s a goal within itself.

Carlo: I just want to say, I think it’s a little naive to think that China is not trading with Russia for materials that they need and I agree with Ian’s characterization of Soviet diplomacy as well as current Russian diplomacy because when I was in Moscow, I got up early one morning and I walked down to Red Square, and off to the left there were two groups of people, so I went. Maybe 100, or 150 people gathered in a circle. So I walked down toward them and I got into the crowd.

And I have no Russian, so I couldn’t understand what was going on. But there was a young African student in the center of the crowd and there were 2 or 3 Russians arguing with him. It was the Yeltsin years. And a guy came up to me and tapped me on the shoulder. I see you don’t have any Russian. Do you want me to translate? I said, sure, the kid, the young man was from Burkina Faso. A year after Thomas Sankara had been assassinated. And he was saying, no, you cannot lean toward the West. They will fuck you.

They will fuck you in the ass. Now, he didn’t use that language. That’s my language. But anyway, that was what he was saying. No, we have to stay the course. But the Russians were so enamored with this promise of Western goods and all that they were countering him. There was a very interesting discussion and there were like a lot of people gathered around listening to it, very well informed, more informed than I was for sure. And I think that’s kind of emblematic, something that’s missed about Russia and the former Soviet Union and Yeltsin years.

Ben: And Russia is still that way.

Carlo: And is that kind of discourse take place. But so, I give you big marks for that. I think it’s very true. I think it goes all the way down to the people get themselves. I don’t know.

Ben: I think at this point, it’s a good anecdote from the Yeltsin as in the worst years. I’d like to go back to I don’t think we can avoid with this goddamn summit the case of Ukraine, because, I mean, they mentioned in headline after headline that Germany is going to get hypersonic. As Jeff mentioned, everybody informed says the US doesn’t even have a successful test.

Jeff: I think they maybe had one that.

Ben: Well, they had a successful I’m sorry. I remember there were three failed ones, I think. But from getting there to getting them to serve it, it’s not. So they have this. But there was also a lot of nervousness and backtracking. Remember Keir Starmer said that you can use our weapons to the Storm Shadow missiles anywhere in Russia and then the Department of Defense of Britain said no, no, no, just, just Crimea, not the Russian Federation. The poll said, maybe we’re going to shoot down Russian missiles over Ukraine.

And apparently, now they’re saying, no, it has to be a joint NATO decision. Backtrack, backtrack, backtrack. What came out of this were alliances with the heavyweights. Luxembourg 900 armed personnel and Romania and no NATO membership. So if I was Zelensky, I would be getting really, really nervous right about now because it looks like a PR exercise with a lot of nervous people just to stave off the collapse until November. And if I was a Southeast Asian leader, I would be getting even more nervous to get aboard this goddamn train.

I mean, what was the one commitment that came out of this? We’re going to cobble together a couple of air defense systems, right? Patriots which have been there, 3 or 4 of them, at least the even older 1950s hawks, the Samp T. Whatever we’re going to do, whatever we can find, we’re going to send. And just before the summit, the eve before the summit they kept using this children’s hospital bullshit.

But we saw that Russia has free reign in the air over Kyiv, over Lviv, and over Western Ukraine, where these defense systems were supposed to be concentrated. It’s just more of the same. And what was it? The Einstein quote expects different results. And there’s nothing in there. Let’s talk about F-16s will be the game changer. The Russians are eager to see those F-16s because they’ll burn like the rest. But it’s very desperate. And I think it’s like dressing up a losing hand to say we’re just as tough as we were ten years ago or 20 years.

Billy: You think they’re just trying to make it to the election, Ben? They’re trying to.

Ben: I think there was a lot of. I’m still in the driver’s seat. The US, we still have these powerful alliances. There was a lot of on-camera. I think there was a lot of that.

Carlo: Jeff, what do you think about the American elections?

Jeff: Well, there has not been an honest election in the United States since George Washington. The US Constitution Article One Section Four virtually guarantees corruption in the election process. All 50 states must individually come up with their own plan to guarantee that the people can vote. Once political parties started forming in the 1840s, then if that party ruled Illinois or that party ruled West Virginia, then they could do whatever they wanted to make sure that the elections favored them.

That doesn’t mean that it doesn’t always work, but that doesn’t mean that it always works but the elections in the United States are corrupt. It’s built into the system. I mean, even John F. Kennedy got elected in 1960 or 1659, whatever it was against Nixon when Mayor Daley and Illinois they needed 25,000 votes to carry Illinois, and they found a bunch of boxes full of ballots for Kennedy. And Kennedy beat Nixon because of that.

LBJ was one of the biggest thieves and one of the biggest election thieves in US history and then you look at what and of course, the worst was 2020. That was so flagrant. Brett Redmayne Titley and I kind of went back and forth with each other. We did a lot of research on the elections. And it was so fraudulent and so disgustingly fraudulent. And of course, January 6th was a Democrat False Flag to keep the legislature from questioning the vote. There were 19 House of Representatives and there was a quorum.

I don’t remember but there was a quorum of Republicans that were ready to question the vote in the six of the key states that were robbed. That’s why the Democrats pulled off the False Flag on January 6th. It stopped the legislature. So the elections in the United States may be school. My school district at my local precinct level was not crooked but you get up to you know maybe my city mayor at least in Oklahoma may not be crooked, but you get up to the federal level, and it’s extremely, extremely corrupt. Not to mention now you can’t get in any race in the United States without spending literally together they’re going to spend over $10 billion on the election this goes around.

Ben: So selfish. Why don’t they think of Ukraine?

Jeff: To be honest with you I think one of the reasons that Biden is so cocksure that he needs to stay in the race is because the Democrats are going to do the same thing that they did in 2020, they’re going to steal the damn election. And now almost every state has hard drives. Nobody does paper ballots anymore. I don’t know if Oklahoma has an electronic reader. But again, that could be rigged. I mean, it’s not like I’m sure in Hungary or Russia, you take a piece of paper, you put it in an envelope and you put it in a Plexiglas box that everybody can see. We’ll get to France though, because there’s still a lot of corruption there.

But you control the microchip on those hard drives and you can make the results come out to whatever you want. And I don’t think there’s been a change in the state houses since then. And I think that they’ll still rig Michigan, Wisconsin, Georgia, Arizona, and Nevada which am I leaving out? There were I think there were seven that. You only need to win. You only need to win 5 or 6 swing states to win the election. Because we know California is going to be Democrat. We know New York is going to be Democrat. We know Texas is going to be Republican.

Ian: That might change in a few years. Give it a few more years.

Jeff: Yeah that’s true. Well, that’s another thing. Biden’s letting in millions and millions and millions.

Billy: I was going to say you don’t have to prove your citizenship to vote, but.

Jeff: No, no, they’re already getting driver’s licenses. Even if they can’t drive, they’ll all have driver’s licenses. So America is pathetic in terms of its election process. I mean, it’s like, it’s beyond surreal. It’s like Mad Max.

Carlo: I agree with you, but I think both sides if you want to call them sides, Democrats and Republicans, they’re both you want to get off it.

Jeff: Well of course. Well, look at Bush. Bush in 2000 with the well.

Carlo: Well, and Trump too.

Jeff: Do you think so?

Carlo: But I mean look Trump’s people initiated 64 court cases challenging the vote. And they lost in the courts in all 64. And they lost in front of judges appointed by Trump. It was thrown out. So I don’t know. That’s a real octopus. That’s like the 346 people around the Kennedy assassination who died mysteriously. That gets a little too conspiratorial for my taste. I know you’re right. Every election since George Washington has been corrupt, and, I agree with that. But they’re all sides, all contending.

Jeff: And I didn’t say it just once. I just happened to mention Kennedy and LBJ, of course.

Ben: What’s more interesting to me is Jeff, do I hear you saying there’s not going to be a switcheroo? You know, George Clooney’s dream and Obama’s dream of getting him out at the last minute?

Jeff: I don’t know.

Ben: It’s the caucus really this guy four more years.

Jeff: I don’t know. I mean, I well remember Biden is completely surrounded by his family, his wife Jill, his brother and sister

Ben: And Hunter.

Billy: And the pressure is going to mount.

Jeff: But even if it’s Kamala Harris, they’re still going to be able to rig the votes in the necessary states. I heard Tucker Carlson say 30 million. I don’t believe it, but I know 11 or 12 million immigrants have flooded into the country. So I sure would not even though Trump deserved to win in 2020 and he would likely deserve to win in 2024. I think the Democrats could put Mickey Mouse and he’s going to win because they’re going to rig the hard drives and they’re going to steal the vote because they’ve got the state capitals and the key states to do it.

Ian: Well, I was going to say is I mean, I agree pretty much 99% as far as both sides’ issue, I think it’s completely fair. I don’t think it’s even a controversial statement to say with the Bush administration when everybody had that high after 9/11 Republicans were driving the bus. And what did the Republicans do with the bus they decided to start several wars and lost all of them. So I think it’s fair to say that Republicans were driving the bus in the Bush years.

Then starting in the Obama years, you had the switch where Democrats really became the top dog. And it became to a point, where the Republicans were losing the ability to even contest Democrats at this point. I think Republicans are becoming kind of literally a permanent minority party. And it’s just going to get worse over the next five years. And my theory on I keep meaning to write about this on the blog, too. I keep meaning to write this, but my theory I actually agree with Jeff on this. So, Democrats going to win the election no matter what. It doesn’t even matter who it is. Democrats going to win. It’s predetermined.

Billy: Are you hedging because you said it was going to be Biden?

Ian: Well, I did say that. So let me finish. So I think let me finish my statement. So yes, last show Jeff in the previous show, I told Billy Bob that I’m sure they’re not planning to replace Biden. So I think what’s happening here, Jeff, is what you said. So there is pushback because I think there are Democrats are donors who are genuinely unhappy because it’s so obvious that Biden is a mental vegetable.

However, the people who are in the White House with him, his cabinet, especially his family, I mean, the thing is, if Biden resigned or just didn’t run again, do you think they would be just giving millions to Hunter Biden that he could go and smoke crack in the White House? Hell no. Hell no. So, I mean, if your family member is the president of the United States, I mean, that’s just like winning the lottery every day for the rest of your life. I mean, it’s just it’s such a godsend.

So, of course, the Biden crime family does not want to let go of that. I mean, if he’s just catatonic and they have to push him around for four years, it doesn’t matter. They do not want to let that go. But there is pushback. And the rest of the Democratic Party are just like we would like someone competent. But I think unless I mean anything short of just straight-up assassinating Biden, I don’t think is going to work.

I think because, unless they have a primary and the DNC is a corporation, they don’t have to do that so they can just pick a guy and as far as I can tell, they’re not going to pick someone besides Biden. I think that you can’t force Biden to not run if he is the dude himself who does not want to and his family is telling him to not drop out. I mean, really, what is no matter how I guess my question for everybody is no matter how unhappy all these Democrats are, what can they really do about it?

Billy: Well, ultimately they’re going to force Biden off the ticket, and he’ll either have a health issue where it won’t be up to him or he’ll just step down. But there’s no way. I mean, it was obvious after the debate, right? You saw they allowed this opinion to proliferate all across their establishment media apparatus where Biden is too old, he has to go. So there’s no doubt in my mind. Biden will go.

My question is, have they negotiated an agreement with Trump where they’re going to allow Trump to be the next president? So that’s the big question to me because I agree with Jeff, in any free and fair election Trump will win. But are they going to allow a free and fair election because they’ve come to an agreement with Trump behind the scenes and Trump sold out, which I think is quite possible? Or are they going to rig it and put in either Kamala Harris or Mike Governor, what’s his name?

Ian: How are they going to Fort? You said they’re going to force Biden. I mean, where are they going to go? I mean, it’s one thing because I do agree with and that’s the media turned on him because, like that ABC interview.

Billy: They’re puppets. They don’t have sovereignty. They get dictated to.

Ian: I guess what I’m saying is that the ABC interview that followed the debate that I think was actually not only that a bad interview, it was the first hostile interview Biden has had in his. That was definitely a hostile interview. I was like, wow, that was hostile. I think that’s the first time he’s actually had a hostile interview as far as soft instead of to.

Billy: To me, that makes it obvious that he’s out.

Ian: One thing, they want him out. But what? Because like, I want a pony in $1 million.

Billy: You’re nobody and you’re not going to do what he wants.

Carlo: We’ve already established there’s never been a free and fair election in America. I want to ask Jeff when Trump is elected, I agree. I think Trump has got the edge with all the criminality that’s going to go on what he thinks a Trump administration is going to look like in the next four years.

Jeff: Before I do, Carl, I do want to point out Trump had those 64 cases of what have you said? And he lost every one of them and some of them were Trump appointees. You know, judges can be bought and sold and extorted. You know, who was the guy? I actually interviewed the people who published it in English, the German author Prostitutes I was a whore for the CIA.

Carlo: Oh, Smedley Butler.

Jeff: No, no I can’t find it. But anyway.

Carlo: George White.

Jeff: No, it’s a German guy. Otto somebody. Anyway, he talked about when the CIA wanted something from a journalist, they would first try flattery, then they would try bribery, and then blackmail. And then if that didn’t work, you get a knock on the door, and there’s two literally two guys in black suits with briefcases, and that’s it. You either do what they say or you’re dead or your family’s dead.

Carlo: Yeah, I agree with all that but 64 cases. That involves hundreds of people.

Jeff: Yeah, I don’t know.

Carlo: Let’s not go down that road. What do you think Trump is going to look like? I want to know.

Jeff: Well, first off I voted for Trump then and I will vote for him again. Although it’s a totally wasted vote because I’m in Oklahoma and the Republicans, it’s 75% Republican anyway. And I’m a registered Democrat. But the only thing that gives me hope. And he’s a demagogue. He is a complete and total demagogue. He is maybe not as corrupt as Biden, but he’s got casinos. So he works with the Mafia. I mean, he’s not clean. But at least he can run a multi-billion dollar company. And so I think he can run a government better than Biden can. I think the only hope that he gives me is, is that he is promised to get to stop Ukraine in a week. And, I don’t know what that would be, other than he just tells Zelensky to get the fuck out of there and we’re going to get someone in there to negotiate with the Russians.

And that’s the only thing that gives me any hope. It’s really curious. It was all buried and I’ve got this list somewhere. But when Trump was president, poor people actually did better. There are actual statistics to show that minimum wage workers did better. Poor and minority people had higher levels of home ownership. But no one will talk about it because no one wants to give him any credit for doing anything nice for Americans. I have no hope for Palestine.

Ben: There is none.

Jeff: They will continue. Trump or Biden will continue to try to destroy West Asia and the Middle East. I mean, gosh, Biden or Trump and this is what we have to choose from.

Ben: Yeah, the world is laughing.

Jeff: And the world’s greatest democracy. I mean, it’s pathetic. It is pathetic. And Biden’s going to be 84 and Trump’s going to be 80-something when he finishes. I mean it’s just awful. So he’s better than Biden. But that’s not saying much.

Carlo: Or foreign policy domestic policy. Biden is wretched on foreign policy.

Ian: Right. He’s the expert.

Jeff: Also Trump will try to stop the 2 or 3 million immigrants flooding across the border. That’s the other thing that would be very helpful with Trump.

Ben: I think we all hate Biden. Neither of us is wedded to Trump. But if I were an American, I’d vote for him because NATO is scared shitless of this guy basically pulling out. And all of the NATO thing was about Trump proofing the aid and all that. So I liked that about him. But that’s about it.

Ian: Here’s the problem with Trump. And actually, because I’m reformed I call myself a reformed Bernie bro because when Bernie Sanders.

Ben: You can count me there too a long time ago now.

Ian: Well, and I stopped the second Bernie sold out. I stopped supporting him. And the second time around, I didn’t support him because it’s like, why are you giving him a second chance after he sold out? So for me, it wasn’t quite as bad with Trump, but still, I gave Trump his chance. I’m not going to give him a second chance. The reason why is because we had four years of Trump. And the thing is that all of the stuff, almost all of the stuff Trump did, good or bad, was reversed within the first week by literally the first week Biden took office. Why? Because Trump is very arrogant, and he can’t be bothered to educate himself about what he’s dealing with. So he jumped into the White House. He signed a bunch of executive almost every single thing Trump did was an executive order. Why?

Because that was the easiest way to do it. He’s too lazy to get stuff through the legislature. So the second Biden sat down, there was even that video clip that went viral where Biden was signing executive orders, looked up, and it was like, I don’t even know what I’m signing. They just reversed. They just gave him a stack of executive orders that reversed all the executive orders Trump did. So it’s just like, even if by some weird I think it I agree it’s Jeff is incredibly unlikely. But if we did have Trump for another four years, what is the point? They’re just going to the day after Trump leaves.

Billy: The prediction is JD Vance will be president by 2026. Trump will be too uncontrollable during his first year, and they’ll figure out a way to either you know, JFK, him, or he’ll get impeached out of office.

Ben: And here’s a new one they put in George Clooney. There you go.

Carlo: I don’t think Trump will make any effort to get out of Ukraine. None whatsoever. Whoever he has with him will talk him out.

Billy: He’s got a beef. He’s got a beef. He really tried to fuck him.

Carlo: Steve Bannon has his ear. You know it’s what Steve Bannon says or Steve Miller says. That’s what goes. In a certain sense, Trump has a kind of dementia of ignorance. He doesn’t know what’s going on. He couldn’t find Ukraine on a map. So he’s totally dependent on the whims of what people around him tell him. Pompeo and Bolton are in your cabinet, you have to be a fool. I mean, to not put them in your cabinet. He had nothing to do with that. I know he doesn’t make his own decisions.

Ian: Ukrainians are very good. I will give them this. They are very good at pissing in the wind, though. I mean I think any bridge Ukrainians had with a theoretical President Trump has been burned because they have dissed him over and over again. I think Trump is someone who takes things very personally. He takes things like if you insult if you make a joke.

Ben: He’s a very vain person. That’s something you can trust.

Ian: If you insult him, he will still be mad about it 20 years later. I think that’s the kind of guy he is.

Jeff: I just wanted to say one nice thing would be the schadenfreude of Trump getting elected and opening up real investigations on Hunter Biden and the Biden Mafia and Delaware and all the sewage of corruption that he might do. Another thing he did was try to release all of the files on Kennedy and the CIA came in and said no to West. He too probably because two guys in black suits showed up.

Carlo: More likely because he knew that was a good thing to do as PR public relations. That’s Bannon’s white Christian nation. That’s what Bannon wants. White Christian nation

Ben: I am sure we could talk about Trump and Biden. But I don’t know how much time Jeff has. And I really wanted to get just his opinion on one more topic, which is France, which he mentioned. If you still have time, because I know the basics of financially the places in trouble, even with the Olympics coming up, he’s the second most like what do you call it? Least approval rating President in the world.

He’s hated by left and right. I mean, I’ve seen Mélenchon, who is supposed to be the head of this new popular front. He said the right things about Ukraine and Israel-Palestine, but it looks like it might not be him. It might be Glucksmann another Eurocrat again. What’s the mood in Normandy and what’s the situation like on the ground? I’d really like to know.

Jeff: Well, very quickly we need to go back to just quickly. 2006 Jacques Chirac was the last president in France to actually even know that there are citizens out there, who exist. Sarkozy, I don’t have time to get into it. But he was CIA. His father, Pal Sarkozy, was a Hungarian aristocrat. He was a CIA asset. And so his son was a CIA asset. His stepbrother was with the Carlyle Group and his stepmother married Frank Wisner Jr. the son of one of the ten original guys who started the CIA. And he worked and headed up AIG, which is the insurance company that insures the CIA.

Ben: Beautiful.

Jeff: So Sarkozy led the CIA, and he also took back de Gaulle’s keeping France out of NATO since 1966. And once that happened, that France was finished. It’s over. And so the CIA now is in the Elysee, the white House of France. And so France is now a real Western puppet. And I don’t know how I don’t know, other than some kind of a de Gaulle that comes along and tries to rectify it. Hollande was a supposed socialist. He is a neo-con, neo-liberal Manchurian candidate who just destroyed this country. His finance minister was Emmanuel Macron.

Ben: The bank teller, a Rothschild creation.

Jeff: Yeah a Goldman Sachs and so they started and of course the European treaty, the Lisbon Treaty in 2009 with all of the austerity. So France has had zero essentially accounting with inflation has had zero growth since 2009. I mean, it’s literally almost zero growth. The social safety net, the nice post-war socialist system that helped everybody.

Ben: Something I imagine.

Jeff: Is being torn apart and starting with Hollande in 2012, they opened the floodgates on immigration and a lot of people don’t know this, but unfortunately, Francois Mitterrand, when he was president from 1981 to 1995, back when they had two seven-year mandates, passed a law that non-French could vote in France if they had a resident permit. Well, it’s not as bad as the United States, but still, hundreds of thousands of Africans and Arabs are flooding into France. They are not the nicest people in the world.

We’re not getting the brain surgeons and the engineers and the rocket scientists. We’re getting people who are not terribly educated. And unfortunately, they didn’t have a future in their home. And so they’re going to come here and live off the social system. And it’s just like they’re going to get driver’s licenses in the United States. If you are from Africa or from Ukraine or from a Middle Eastern country, and you come here, you stay for three months and then you qualify to apply for a resident permit.

Well, if an American tries or a Russian tries or a Serbian tries or an Englishman tries, they’re going to wait a while to get their resident permit. But if you are an African or a Middle Easterner, hey, here’s your resident permit because the government is so infested with European supporters, locusts WEF. I mean, the termites from Brussels, the termites from the World Economic Forum, and the neoliberal neocon, they’re like termites in the French government. They’re going to get a resident permit.

They immediately get a no-work minimum income. I think it’s €600 a month. They get socialized medicine. They get housing subsidies immediately. And then there are all of these George Soros-type NGOs that are in France that take these immigrants and walk them through how to get a place to stay and how to milk the system for everything it’s worth. And so they are now using, of course, that to say, oh, we can’t afford this anymore in our socialist system.

We’re going to cut this service out. We have to cut this service out. We can’t afford this anymore. So this unlimited immigration is destroying France and I lived in the Arab world for ten years. I spoke Arabic fluently. I have nothing against Muslims and I have nothing. I traveled and I worked in Africa for ten years. I have nothing against nothing against them. But their presence is literally financially destroying the country because France has very generous benefits.

Carlo: It’s the feedback loop of imperialism is what it is. If France doesn’t want immigrants, don’t join the UK and the United States and bomb Libya back.

Jeff: Well, that’s what started it.

Carlo: That’s the original. That’s what happened to all these five hundred immigrants.

Ben: Gadhafi warned about it.

Carlo: Yeah. It’s coming back to haunt you in a tiny little way. It’s coming back to haunt Europe. It’s coming back to haunt the US. But if you’re going to be belligerent to all these countries, if you’re going to try to starve out Venezuela, then fuck you. Yeah, let the fucking immigrants come.

Billy: That’s interesting. I mean, it’s a really cynical strategy for changing the social fabric. Well, the social structures. Reducing the amount of socialism that French people can enjoy because it’s an attack on the social station. It’s an attack on the robust social safety net. And they couldn’t do it overtly. A politician isn’t going to win an election saying, hey, we have to slash the social safety net, so they’re going to bankrupt the country, and then they’re going to change people’s minds about the social safety net. So it’s a very cynical strategy that I appreciate more after Jeff’s analysis there.

Carlo: It’s a blueprint for fascism.

Jeff: I would also like to point out. And it’s people who don’t want to discuss it. People don’t want it. It’s not advertised on television. It’s forbidden to say it in the newspapers and in the media but the police will release them informally statistics. Crime is absolutely rampant now in France. Drugs are everywhere in France. Gangs with machine guns are in France. It’s not as bad as the United States, but it’s pretty bad and just a violent crime, Grand Theft Auto. It is out of control. And the dirty secret is, is that 80 to 85% of the perps are immigrants.

Carlo: Crime is down in the United States.

Jeff: And no one wants to talk about it. But that’s unfortunately

Carlo: The crime down in the United States.

Jeff: Well, I don’t live there. I live in France.

Ben: Jeff, that I think was valuable. But add to that the financial troubles, I think the credit rating of France has been downgraded twice just in this year alone, you got. Well, Macron got booted out of Africa and it looks like New Caledonia might be next. All those three per slash are cheap resources are gone. So he’s got an ax to grind. And even if Melenchon were to lead, which he’s not going to, then what would he say? Social safety net which means increased spending, which is impossible, which is bankruptcy.

Jeff: The problem is that Melenchon and the left are doing what Biden is doing. They want unlimited floods of immigrants to come to France for votes. That’s exactly what they’re doing. And when he says the French need housing, the French need this. It’s the immigrants and I hate to say it, but it is the immigrants who are prioritized right now in the administration and in the bureaucracy. So we had Holland, a turncoat a neocon. He was just as bad as George W. Bush passed the Patriot Law here, just a carbon copy of the US Patriot.

Ben: Oh, and signed guaranteed the Minsk agreement.

Jeff: Yeah, the Minsk agreement. And of course, then we had his protege Macron now in his second five-year term. Macron is a Pygmalion of Goldman Sachs. He is despised. He is hated by just virtually everybody. He is arrogant. He is feckless. That’s why he pissed off everybody in Africa. He pisses off everybody he talks to. And so the reason that the right won so big in the European parliamentary elections and it’s been building this same thing, the legacy of French people and the legacy of Muslim people.

You know, there’s been Muslims here since the 1960s coming in. They’re entrepreneurial. They work hard. They are socially conservative. They hate the wokeism. They hate the WEF just as much as the general population in France. So France is socially conservative. It’s in essence de Gaulle Catholic. They cannot stand this Wokeism. They cannot stand the crime and the violence.

I mean, immigrants are on every night on the television, there’s a 12-year-old girl getting raped. And then the next night there’s an 80 year. I’m not kidding. An 80-year-old woman is being raped in their bed. People coming through their windows and not just knifing people. And unfortunately, they’re immigrants. And so they could be MK Ultras. I don’t know, maybe they’re MK ultras, I don’t know. But all I know is it’s happening.

Carlo: And so the century went ahead were 200 miles from Paris. So they have a long history of being in.

Jeff: So the French are fed up. They hate Macron. The austerity starting to bite. We’ve had horrible inflation. Just in the last six months, we had a 10% raise on electricity in December and another 10% on top of that 10% this month.

Billy: You don’t have access to the cheap, the free uranium from Niger anymore.

Ben: So that’s true.

Carlo: That’s right.

Jeff: And the left is against nuclear. And France had one of the greatest nuclear systems in the world and it’s being trashed. The country is going to hell, and enough people are aware of it that they’re sick of the pseudo-leftism. The left is big in Paris. The left is big in Bordeaux. The left is big in Marseille. And you go outside of the big cities and it is conservative. And the proof is they won the European election. I just posted massive Orwellian violent propaganda against Le Pen and her side, I mean, frightening propaganda since June 9^th. For the last year and a half, the French took the damn Russiagate from the United States and did the exact same thing.

Ben: And Germans too.

Jeff: Yeah, Putin, Putin, Putin, Putin is controlling Le Pen. Le pen is a Putin tool.

Ben: Also a Nazi-like they always use his father, very different from his father.

Jeff: Yeah, very different. And I went to a family dinner in Paris after Evelyn and I got back from China for a month at the end of May. These are sophisticated, educated, bourgeois people. And during the lunch, Putin. Putin. Putin. Putin. Putin. Putin. Of course, I didn’t say anything, because I was there for the family. But it works. This brainwashing has worked. Then the Goldstein. Remember in the movie 1984, they put a picture of Goldstein up on the TV screen and two minutes of hate. Well, I am not exaggerating. We have had one month of hate in France against the right.

Ben: So we have a shared hero who has the same kind of attitude towards family dinners in Paris, and that’s Pepe Escobar. Yeah, absolutely says these guys are like, brains mush.

Jeff: Yeah, it’s just awful. And so they won by a significant margin the European legislator. And then Macron petulantly dissolved the parliament one month before or two months before the Olympics were supposed to start. He didn’t even tell his prime minister, Gabriel Attal. And nobody knows what the hell he was thinking, other than he’s such a megalomaniac and he is such a self-absorbed Adonis that he just blew a fuze and did it. In the first round, the right won again. And they were destined to win the second round.

And now I have to back up. The problem is in France there is election fraud. There are 82 municipalities and they’re not small. There are 82 municipalities with electronic voting machines, which are enough to throw a significant number of votes. And this is the other thing they do. Well, we don’t have time. They use propaganda like this. And what people don’t know is, is that actually, in fact, I still have it. Everybody’s saying the left won. No, the left didn’t win. The right won. Look at that top bar. That top bar is Le Pen.

Ben: That is the Len Pen.

Jeff: This is Le Pen. The second one is Melenchon and the third one is Macron. And if you add one more million right-wingers down at the bottom, various parties, and then the Republicans, they won 50% of the vote and everybody’s talking like they lost. And so we now have 50% of the people who are. Although the problem is, is that 39 of the Republicans have jumped in bed with Macron, but the others haven’t. And so that has not helped the right out of the 68th, more than half went to Macron. But look at these numbers.

I mean, the people have voted. We are sick of the left and we are sick of Macron. And they even rigged the election. Macron and Melenchon got together. And if you have more than 12.5% of the vote in the first round, you can stay in the second round and the third round. It’s not a two-horse race in France. So sometimes in a tight race, you will have a lot of times three and sometimes four in the second round.

So what they did, because they all got over 12.5%. And so what Macron and Melenchon did is they colluded to remove each other. So if Melenchon came in second place in this voting district, then Macron would bow out. If Macron won in this district, Melenchon would bow out so that they would force the people to vote for Le Pen. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I forgot how many they did it to. It’s never been done before like this. They literally stole the election.

Billy: And with shenanigans, the right still did far better.

Jeff: And the most vicious Orwellian Goldstein, I mean, you cannot believe what we’ve been through for the last month. It’s like Big Brother. And they still, I keep trying to tell people they still won. And these people will be totally ignored. They have no voice. They don’t exist. And it’s going to come back to haunt these people because eventually the moral majority, this adds up to 50%, by the way, 50%. And eventually, there’s going to be an explosion and these people are going to say enough of this shit. So that’s what’s happened.

Carlo: I have a question for Jeff. But first I want to say that my neighborhood Spanish is now the lingua franca. It’s the main language. It’s delightful. I’m so glad to be rid of white Americans. I hate white Americans. I live among African Americans and Spanish people coming from countries that were bombed by white Americans.

Ben: You have got three White Americans here.

Ian: I did not bomb anybody. I did not bomb anyone.

Billy: I don’t identify as white.

Carlo: Jeff’s Confucius and the current Communist Party, what are the parallels between Confucian thought and the way the Communist Party in China is?

Jeff: Well, that’s a whole other show. I tell you what I actually had Eric Arnow on the show. He’s a member of the China writer’s group Bumble Buddhist. He was a robed Buddhist for 20-something years, I mean, a real Buddhist. We had a show “Is communism compatible with Buddhism, Confucianism”. There are a lot of commonalities. And he said, yeah, they’re perfectly aligned. They’re perfectly aligned.

Ben: So a topic for the next time, I think.

Jeff: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Ben: You’ve been really, really generous with your time. I learned a lot.

Jeff: And as a 70-year-old, I have got to go to the bathroom.

Billy: Thank you, Jeff.

Ben: I was thinking too.

Jeff: How old are you, Carlo?

Carlo: 76.

Jeff: Wow.

Billy: I hope you’ll come back to visit us on another episode. Thank you so much for all your time. We will reconvene. Go ahead.

Jeff: Please send me. Is this on YouTube? What do you do?

Billy: Yeah, YouTube.

Ben: Send you the link.

Jeff: Then I’ll upload it and I will get it transcribed.

Ben: As a final thought Bryan had this question. Do you know if the overseas territories? I think it works like Puerto Rico and the US overseas territories, they don’t have the vote in France, do they?

Jeff: Oh yes, the dome.

Ben: They do.

Jeff: Oh, of course, they have the euro. That’s France, baby. France has more time zones than Russia.

Ben: Well, there you go, Brian. I didn’t know that.

Jeff: The sun is setting somewhere in France. And it’s rising in another place in France.

Billy: It’s a vast empire.

Ben: Thank you.

Billy: That’s interesting. And then Pauli’s last statement is absolutely correct. We will end on that note, but that does look like it’s the case. So we’ll reconvene on Tuesday. Thank you everyone. Thank you, especially Jeff.

Jeff: Thank you.

Ben: Great weekend.

Jeff: Bowl weekend.

Ben: Bowl weekend and may Spain win the European.

Jeff: Yeah, and we lost. We weren’t very good this year. Talk to you later.

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