Moti Nissani discusses his FREE book to download, “Eight Billion Cheers for Direct Democracy”. THE game plan to save your “free” country. China Rising Radio Sinoland 230404


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Jeff J Brown (Host): Good morning, everybody. This is Jeff J. Brown China Rising Radio Sinoland on the beaches of Normandy in France. And an old friend and a wonderful guest always welcome on the show today, Dr. Moti Nissani. How are you doing, Moti?

Dr. Moti Nissani (Guest): I’m doing very well, thank you. I’m calling from Foothills.

Jeff: Moti lives in Argentina (in the Patagonia region). And we’ve been trying to connect because his connection is not great. He lives out in the countryside. So, let’s keep our fingers crossed that it works today. We’re going to talk today. He needs no introduction. His first three shows that we did years ago were the most popular shows that I ever did. Then we did another show recently. I have republished at least one of his articles. If you add all of the visitors that have seen his work on my website, it’s over 100,000 people.

So, as a college professor, his biggest lectures have been on China Rising Radio Sinoland. He is extremely popular, extremely informative, extremely motivated, and extremely positive. I love having him on today to talk about the brand-new book that he just published called “Eight Billion Cheers for Direct Democracy”. It’s a free download. I will put his website plus the links for his two other books, “Encyclopedia of Domestic Assassinations” that we have talked about, and “A Revolutionary’s Toolkit”, which we talked about. And so I am really, really, really happy to have you on today, Moti. Thanks for getting up at 3:00 in the morning.

Moti: Thank you for inviting me.

Jeff: He’s having to get up so early because his bandwidth is so poor during the day. So, we’re trying to beat everybody else, waking up in Argentina. So, anyway, I am excited to read the book. It just came out. So, I’ll be honest, I have not read it yet, but I have ticked it off. It’s 261 pages long. It’s a real book. And the first thing I wanted to ask him about is one of his subheadings “Usurping the Word Democracy”. What does that mean for you, Moti?

Moti: Well, it means, first of all, the definition of democracy, of course, the word itself comes from the Greeks and it means people’s rule. Now, in ancient Greece, in Greek democracy, and most notable of which is the nation of Athens or the city-state of Athens, the people actually ruled. I cover it in chapter four of my book, which gives extensive coverage, comprehensive coverage of Athenian Democracy and by implication, also other democracies. Now, in that case, the people will be in charge of everything.

Now, I should qualify the people we mean the male citizens of Athens, not slaves, not foreigners. But the citizen body comprised of males were a group of company of equals. In every decision, every decision that’s been made has been made by the collective, by the people themselves, justifying, of course, the word democracy. There were no judges in Athenian trials. Those of us who read the apology by Plato realized that there are 500 people sitting there, 500 people chosen at random from the entire Athenian population.

There are no judges and they are the ones who listen to the pros and the cons of any given case and they decided whether to go to war or whether to start a new enterprise of any sort, whether to build new ships for the Navy. Whatever it is, it’s the people, the male citizens of Athens. 40,000 of them, typically 50,000, all of them collectively made the decision. Now, equally, chapter three of the book covers cultural anthropology (natives) and again that case for humans, the people lived in direct democracy.

The Huron of North America. The Tasmanians of Tasmania. Wherever they were, people lived in a democracy. As I told you before that there were no chiefs. The misconception that of the Chiefs so-and-so is a mistake. The chief had no authority. The only authority he had is the authority that came with his bravery, his wisdom, and his experience. He could only be a reputational chief, so-called, he didn’t exist, but could appeal to his fellow citizens, fellow tribesmen, or fellow batsmen. But he did not have power.

Now to the second, the complementary part of that answer is, for example, the United States, France, Russia, and China. Okay. I’d call it a democracy, but the United States has the audacity and France has the audacity of calling itself a democracy. But that is simply…it’s not even a pseudo-democracy. It’s a joke. It’s a few and an oligarchy. Ask yourself, okay, if it’s a democracy, whatever the people want, the people get. But that’s not the case in the United States.

Over and over and over again, what the people want is one thing, and what the governing oligarchs, what the rulers are doing is an entirely different thing. And it’s not only my opinion. Ex-President Carter says the United States is an oligarchy yet many others believe that the United States is a democracy where the people actually have power. It simply means it’s beyond ridiculous, it’s ludicrous. It’s like we don’t have any power at all. And the question, of course, arises, how do they control us? But that’s a different story.

They control us by, first of all, campaign financing, so-called, which is in reality sunshine bribery. They control us with information. (Or rather, mass cmmuncation flows packed with disinformation.—Ed) They control all the major news outlets. They control our schools. They control our medical establishment. They control everything. So, yeah, some people believe mistakenly that they have a choice between Democrats and Republicans. But it’s a joke on both parties. It’s a Uni-party. Both parties agreed on just about everything. It’s just a one-and-one and I can go on and on.

But it’s the fundamental fact that the West does not lead in democracy, there are shades. Switzerland is more democratic than the United States. The Greeks would laugh at the claim of the United States. I give you one more example and that is income distribution. This is what’s happening now in France, the United States, and the Western World, income distribution is so scandalously terrible. You can go on YouTube and see all these poor people working full-time and living on the street, because they cannot make ends meet.

Now, if we were in the democracy, just ask yourself, well, if we really had power, wouldn’t we vote to have more in our hands rather than bail out bankers? According to one study, I forgot, I think Harvard or something, we are getting cheated in the amount of $42,000 a year. You, I, my wife, your wife could have $42,000 a year or more if we stop that racket, for example, of bailouts. What do they mean by bailing out the banks? We are giving the billionaires more money and it’s getting worse and worse. Anybody who believes that women in democracy have it better, I don’t know, it’s mistaken.

Jeff: How long in Athens? Because I’ve heard that it went through phases of democracy and anarchy and totalitarianism and it kind of went in a cycle. How long in total did the direct democracy succeed in Athens?

Moti: It was almost 200 years.

Jeff: Almost 200 years.

Moti: You have to be careful when we talk about direct democracy. That’s chapter two of the book is called Conceptual Building. We all have a bias, whether we realize it or not. We have a bias against direct democracy. Why? Because for 2,500 years, among the powerful everywhere, of course, do not want direct democracy. They want all the power and all the riches for themselves. So, it’s concerted repression, aggression against everything. But if anybody wants to delve into the subject thing, they’ve got to realize the terrible bias that we have been inculcated against.

It’s not simply an effect. I’ll give you a couple of examples, then answer the question directly. One of the greatest philosophers, we have is Plato. Plato was an aristocrat, a very wealthy one, and his goal in his political writings is a very simple one. He doesn’t sound very nice, but that’s the way most people are. He is out there to protect his own interests, so he makes a mockery in his writing of democracy, he called it democracy or whatever. And I happen to have a degree in philosophy and studied Plato.

And it took me a long time to realize that that guy is really a totalitarian. What he’s preaching is smaller, something like Nazi Germany. I mean, that’s how bad it is. The United States would consider this historian a great historian. But bias is bias. And so, that goes down throughout the ages. We know about Plato, but nobody, or almost no one knows about Democritus. Now, Democritus was even richer than Plato. But he was a Democrat. As the name suggests, it’s kind of interesting Democritus, his parents were Democrats too.

He was very wealthy but he was a Democrat. Now, do people know about him? Do they teach about him in the philosophy curriculum? No. Plato said to burn his books, according to one of the sources, his books should be burned, which they to read. So, right there, you have to realize when you say anything, we hear about democracy. The first thing we have to overcome is bias. Now, to go directly to your question, once we remove the barriers, Athens was a direct democracy. Really democracy.

We have to have the adjective “direct” because now we have the United States’ concept of democracy. So, direct democracy is really Athenian democracy. And it existed for almost 200 years. So, it’s a very long time, twice. You’re right that they were twice under the pressure of the Peloponnesian War between totalitarian Sparta with Sparta and Athens. Twice there was a coup, an oligarchic coup, so twice it has been removed. The first was in 400 B.C., so it was almost 2400 years ago.

And the second one is 430BC. And after Athens was defeated, by Sparta, it’s complicated story. But after Athens was defeated, after almost a 30-year war, the Spartans and the Athenians were now so vicious oligarchy, and against the odds, they restored democracy. So, it existed with these two, these brief interruptions for 200 years, it would have existed maybe until now, but it was stopped with the rise of the Macedonians. Philip and then his son Alexander. And they are the ones who destroyed or put an end to it. It wasn’t internal.

So, all that was lost from Athens. Not because democracy was unstable, it existed for generations, at least six generations. It came to an end by outside forces who, of course, viewed the tyrant Philip and his tyrannical son, Alexander, as dictators, kings, or whatever you want to call them. Of course, they do not want a direct democracy as the model. And what we have to realize too when we’re talking about direct democracy, my book does have one chapter which is theoretical.

In other words, I find a theoretical basis justifying direct democracy that is solid. Any other questions? Most people part of the book. The convincing part is empirical. We don’t have a good theory because, in social science theory, you can just about prove anything you want in the social sciences. You can prove that by giving social scientists a trickle down theory. You want to solve the poverty problem. Well, just give money to the rich. You can prove anything you want in social science if you are so inclined.

But the book is empirical. I go through, I show, first of all, anthropology. There was most of society, every tribe doing whatever it was, there were egalitarian. No one lorded over anybody else. And they were very successful and existed for thousands and thousands and thousands of years of human existence. Most of human existence was Democratic. Number one, Athens. Now, if you look at Athens, it was the most, and there were many handicaps, slavery certainly was awful, certainly intimidation, and so on.

But for the males, a great number of people, it was a direct democracy and now Athens thinks that it was the most powerful and militarily, culturally and militarily, the most successful society, socially, and culturally ever based on sculpture, mathematics, architecture, city planning, astronomy. All of it traces to the ancient Greeks’ democracy. Sparta gave the world almost nothing except a military garrison. Sparta was dictatorial. So, the striking thing is that only Athens and other Greek cities were democracies.

There was a cultural output that never exist in the history of the world. And now you have parallel direct democracy and cultural art, it doesn’t take much. And to realize even then, 2,500 years ago that the two of them are connected. These people are also creative people. These people are also very good fighters because they are fighting not for some oligarchs, while they are starving, they are fighting for their own. So, the short answer is it was about 200 years, six generations, almost 200 years that democracy was fighting.

And at the same time that the cultural output of the Athenians was phenomenal, never heard of it in the history of humankind. And the argument is disconnected. Now, the next chapter, Chapter five, propels Athens to the United States. And I’m not going to go into it. But as you can imagine, Athens comes out with flying colors in almost every school. It was a libertarian paradise, freedom for the male citizens of Athens. They were as free as they can imagine. Life was meaningful, just compared to the United States, compared to France, or Argentina.

I mean, it was paradise. Recalling it had slavery who were humiliated. But for the male citizens, a great number of people, it was almost paradise. There is no comparison between Athens and the United States. Then chapter six proceeds to look at what enables you in France, and Switzerland. The only country, Switzerland is an oligarchy but superimposed on that vicious oligarchy, there is a certain constraint and that is direct democracy. The people if they get really fed up and if they can escape the brainwashing of the Swiss Media, the people have a measure of power.

So, Switzerland, you could say that maybe it’s a 10% direct democracy, 90% oligarchy. And as in the case of Athens, as in the case of tribal society, Switzerland is one of the happiest, freest, most successful countries in the world, one of the most innovative countries in the world, not the United States, but Switzerland. Little Switzerland per capita, of course, is the most prosperous       country in the world, and it goes down the list. In the book, I list out all the Swiss achievements. And again, I come to the conclusion that the most democratic country in the world is also one of the most successful.

As Herodotus said Democracy is just a wonderful thing. And then the next chapter looks at examples of direct democracy in the contemporary world, of pure direct democracy. One of them is the Berlin Philharmonic. And I’m not qualified. I love music. But according to most experts, the Berlin Philharmonic is the best orchestra in the world. Now, what is this, you have the greatest achievement in the world in terms of performance is the Berlin Philharmonic. And it so happens again that the Berlin Philharmonic is a direct democracy, that the conductor is hired by the musicians.

In every measured equivalent of that assembly, every major decision is made by the musicians themselves. Among the 110 members, there is freedom, direct democracy, and communication.

I’ll give you one more example and that is the worker corps, the largest working party. It’s called Mondragon and it’s in the Basque region of Spain. And again, it’s not a direct democracy, it’s a combination of direct democracy and the managerial elite. It’s somewhere in between. But the people, the workers have the ultimate authority.

And again, it’s an extremely successful, first of all, on many levels, the cooperative is an extremely successful enterprise. It’s one of the largest in Spain. It has many, many… It has supermarkets and it’s successful. And while at the same time, they have workplace democracy. So, there are no bosses and the people are in charge. So, you have these benefits, like in the Paris Commune, and stuff like that. The workers are in charge. And yet it’s entirely, it’s a very successful operation.

Again, showing that and I gave a few other examples. Iceland is another example, a particular episode in Icelandic history. So, all of it together provides empirical proof or near proof that the best system of government and the only way out of our predicament, right, we are in a bad shape. We don’t have it in the United States. As quoted by Thomas Jefferson, we are the reason why we have so many problems. We have perpetual freedom that is being eroded, for the last 200 years or something like that distinction.

It could come even earlier, but for all that misgovernment. As Jefferson said, we could have paradise on earth if we were just not misgoverned. And he’s right. We could eliminate hunger. We can eliminate poverty not only in the United States, the entire world. We can eliminate hunger and poverty. We can, with a just, governed world. And the only proven good government is one provided by genuine democracy. Not American-style democracy, but general democracy. Hope I wasn’t too long in elaborating on that point.

Jeff: No, thank you very much. And I’ll tell you what, Moti, I’ll be honest with you, this connection is not very good. So, I hope that what you said came through. So, I think the best thing to do is stop now, because we’ve gone on for almost half an hour with a bad connection. So, I think I’m going to just put all this on the show. I’m going to put everything you mentioned. I wanted to talk about Switzerland, Iceland, Athens, and Mondragon. I would like to point out that after the reform and opening up in China in 1978, much of the agricultural system from the Mao era remained in place.

And there are huge, huge agricultural cooperatives in China that are very, very successful. And they are governed by the farmers and the local people. They have cooperative stores all over the country. And it’s direct produce from the farmers directly to the people with no middlemen. So, I think there are others. You talked about Berlin. The Berlin Philharmonic, which I wanted to hear about. And it’s just I just printed out the table of contents because I have not had a chance to read it, but I’m going to read it and it’s free for everybody. You just click on Moti’s website or click on the I’ll actually upload the books if you so you get a chance, they’re free.

I mean, he just spells it out. I mean the table of contents is like 11 or 12 pages long, short bullet half-page topics that just walk you through 263 pages of hope and positivism about the way the world can be better, especially in what we call the Western democracies. It sounds to me like the West adopted the totalitarian Spartan Model and then slapped and then slapped the name Democratic on it. Because it’s much more Spartan than Athenian. And of course, you mentioned the Macedonians. Alexander the Great killed his father to gain power. What a guy.

Moti: And he killed many, many, many other people. He was driven. I mean, why is he running about, killing all these people? I mean, what’s his motivation? But we are told it’s again, another example, of distortion. We are told Alexander the Great. I’d never call him the Great. His name is Alexander the Little. And it’s another thing that people don’t realize. He was a very good general, but he was also a very lucky general because what happens in Persia, is it’s hereditary. And it so happens that he was not fighting the founders, somebody like Cyrus, he would have never conquered Persia.

It was a coward of the many Alexander was facing. On the other hand, for example, in one of the famous battles, the guy simply runs away. So, he runs away. Even though there were the Macedonians were outnumbered by God knows how much, he runs away. So, everybody else runs away. So, he was also a very lucky man. But the point is, again, the propaganda of Alexander the Great really? The parricide, parricide, I mean, he was willing to do anything to… And for example, another crime is one of the ancient cities of Greece was Thebes. He simply razed it to the ground. The Greeks were all over. And that’s the kind of guy we are told is Alexander the Great. My university, there’s statue of that guy. If I were a terrorist…

Jeff: Where is the statue?

Moti: In Wayne State in Michigan.

Jeff: Oh, in Michigan.

Moti: Okay.

Jeff: My university.

Jeff: Well, Moti, I tell you what, we’re really frustrated with the connection. And you got up at three in the morning to do this, because it’s eight in the morning here in France. So, I just want to thank you. I’m going to read your book and I’m excited to read it. I did read your other book “Encyclopedia of Domestic Assassinations”. I did read a “Revolutionary Tool Kit”, and this Eight Billion Cheers for Direct Democracy seems to be a summation of your previous work. And I have not seen your video. I will watch that. And I will put your website, so that people can download all of this.

I will also put a link to your three shows, previous shows that were so popular, and then the recent one we did in September, and also the article that you submitted and that I published. And let’s pray that we have a better connection next time. And so many thanks, Moti, for staying up all night. And lovely to have you on. And let’s keep our fingers crossed that the recording comes through and that my editor can do the transcript correctly. Okay.

Moti: Okay. And I keep my fingers crossed for the quality of the recording and also for the transcript.

Jeff: I want to come to visit you someday in Argentina. So, you and Donna take care of yourselves and we’ll talk soon.

Moti: Okay.

Jeff: Bye, bye.

Moti: Good morning. Bye.


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Jeff J. Brown is a geopolitical analyst, journalist, lecturer and the author of The China Trilogy. It consists of 44 Days Backpacking in China – The Middle Kingdom in the 21st Century, with the United States, Europe and the Fate of the World in Its Looking Glass (2013); Punto Press released China Rising – Capitalist Roads, Socialist Destinations (2016); and BIG Red Book on China (2020). As well, he published a textbook, Doctor WriteRead’s Treasure Trove to Great English (2015). Jeff is a Senior Editor & China Correspondent for The Greanville Post, where he keeps a column, Dispatch from Beijing and is a Global Opinion Leader at 21st Century. He also writes a column for The Saker, called the Moscow-Beijing Express. Jeff writes, interviews and podcasts on his own program, China Rising Radio Sinoland, which is also available on YouTubeStitcher Radio, iTunes, Ivoox and RUvid. Guests have included Ramsey Clark, James Bradley, Moti Nissani, Godfree Roberts, Hiroyuki Hamada, The Saker and many others. [/su_spoiler]

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